Antifa attacks journalist in Portland

originally posted by: DBCowboy
I wish everyone should go to the next Antifa armed with a camera.

Careful

That comment can be considered violence, and means you deserve to be beat and can be kicked off of Twitter and YouTube

When will you learn

Your words are violence, and so people that have to beat you with weapons and fist

But there beating of you is not violence

Here a simple chart

Right wing words = violence

Left wing milkshakes, fist and bike locks = not violence

a reply to: projectvxn

Oh hell. You can’t have a Trump sticker on your car because it’ll get torched.

Just google it.

It’s not just one extremist group. It’s everyone who doesn’t think like them.

They are the new Brownshirts and that’s not hyperbole.

a reply to: theantediluvian

That only shows him with a baton, he is not seen in that picture you gave attacking anyone... Do you have a pictureof the old man "charging at people" like you claim?...

a reply to: DBCowboy

Oh hell. You can’t have a Trump sticker on your car because it’ll get torched.

I know.

Just google it.

It’s not just one extremist group. It’s everyone who doesn’t think like them.

I know.

They are the new Brownshirts and that’s not hyperbole.

No, it isn't. I agree.

In fact, I highly recommend maintaining tactical patience because of this.

Tactical patience is the ability to pause and refocus, make sure the mission is clearly the main thing we are doing. I’ve failed to do this many times. And I trace it back to my inability to recognize the warning signs that we were heading into a decision too fast, without considering all of the viable options.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: theantediluvian

That only shows him with a baton, he is not seen in that picture you gave attacking anyone... Do you have a pictureof the old man "charging at people" like you claim?...

Of course not. He doesn't even know what he's talking about. He was just told to think the old man was "asking for it."

a reply to: Grambler

From a German researcher with the best detail behind the roots of ANTIFA:

Also daily reminder to all Americans reading this from a German who works in Research on this topic since almost 10 Years now:
Antifaschistische Aktion (aka: Antifa) started of here in my country of Germany and in my state of Bavaria in Winter 1917 through the "Rote Front" which was basically the equivalent of the "moderate rebels" in Syria. Not moderate at all and financed by a foreign country.
This was the COMINTERN (Communist International) from Soviet Russia, they used the chaos of Post-WWI Eastern Europe, including Germany to spread the Communist Idea, help arm and finance communist militias in countries between Russia and France, which also ended up succesful in Bavaria, something many don't know, but Bavaria was for a short time a de-facto Communist State, controlled by Soviet puppets.
You can read about this on Wikipedia, search for: Bavarian Soviet Republic
But back to Antifa's roots, the COMINTERN had several branches within each country. Antifa was at first the Branch that focused on creating Leaflets, Propaganda, establish Contacts to friendly Journalists etc.
The "Spartakus Bund" i'm sure some of you heard of, was basically the first militant Antifa and like the "Rote Front"in the Rest of Germany was basically the SA (Sturmabteilung/Brown Shirts) but on the Communist Spectrum.
In fact, if you ever wondered why the SA came to be and got so popular in the first place, it was a reaction against the Communist Militias financed by the Comintern. This is also why Bavaria ended up being the most supportive State in Germany of the right-wing Militias like the Freikorps, the Black Brigade, the Wehrwolf Bund etc.
The SA itself was a mix between right-wing and left-wing. They were Nationalists and supporters of War Veterans and their Families, protecting Funerals from Communist Militia Attacks but when it comes to Social Politics, they were left-wing.
Between the end of WWI and the mid to late 1920s all the right-wing Militias joined Forces and also accepted help from the SA against Communist, Marxist and Anarchist Militias. "The Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend".
Then the Communist Militia "Rote Front" was banned by Weimar Germany, so now the COMINTERN had no Militia active in Germany anymore and Weimar Germany also banned the SA. Both killed eachother in the highest numbers so the Weimar Government thought banning both of them would help, of course it didn't.
This is when the Propaganda Branch "Antifaschistische Aktion" was turned into the new Militia. This was in the late 1920s. Basically just turning the official Propaganda Branch into the Successor of the Rote Front.
This is just some History on the subject i think American Conservatives (since Antifa has now become a thing in the USA) should be educated about because i can tell you, The Left in the USA is uneducated about Antifa History, even those in the USA calling themself Antifa have no idea what Antifa is.
Sadly many Americans on the Right don't know either and i often see comparisons to "Brown Shirts". which is historically false.
Of course what is correct is that you can compare both of them being very violent, have a history of Murder and Mayhem (Weimar Republic) and both are from authoritarian ideologies.
Antifa is just Marxist/Communist historically, some splinters Anarchist, created by the Soviet Union to interfere in Post WWI countries with unstable governments.
I leave you with one fun fact you can use whenever someone on the Left or some American Journalists claim "Antifa didn't kill anybody yet" or "Antifa was US Soldiers storming the Beaches of Normandy":
Between 1919-1932 according to the official Crime Reports of the Weimar Republic and also current studies:
Rote Front/Antifa have killed 5092 civilians in Germany not belonging to an Opponent Militia
SA (Brown Shirts) have killed 1341 civilians in Germany not belonging to a Communist Militia
In all cases Rote Front/Antifa killing civilians the victims were "alleged" Nazis/Fascists but turned out to be not part of any Militia or a female or young family Member of someone who was an alleged "Nazi/Fascist"
The same from the SA killing alleged "Communists" who turned out to be not.
So yes, Antifa killed many many People here in Europe, and yes, they also killed many between 1945-2019 here in Europe.
My point is: Antifa during the Weimar Republic was much worse than the SA/Brown Shirts and should be confronted with that.
They are all uneducated about their History, so tell them about it.
All the Data and Statistics are also publically viewable in the German National and International Archives as well as accesible through NARA in english.
I hope more Conservative Americans get interested and learn about Antifa's Roots, especially since those praising and calling themself Antifa in the USA have absolutely no education whatsoever on their beloved organisations History

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: theantediluvian

I gotta say, if people are out there looking to get into a fight with Antifa, and they get beat up, that's their problem.

I'm tactical in nearly everything I do.

I live by a particular set of rules and it goes something like this:

Don't go to stupid places with stupid people to do stupid things.

If one lives by these rules, getting one's ass kicked by Antifa or whoever those right wing idiots are, doesn't happen.

The history books are littered with cowards that wouldn't stand up against totalitarian thugs. People like you are the reason the Stalin's, the Hitler's and the Mao's rise to power. Less people like you and more people like the "right wing idiots" would prevent that.

So the journalist is now going after the city for civil rights violations ?
And coincidentally the police have photos ofthe perps and are now going after them?
Interesting how that works.

a reply to: Grambler

Sorry I couldn't respond to this earlier to tell you what a bunch of nonsense it is!

The fact you start assumptions by Ngo is lying about his injury says all that is needed

All you needed for what? I saw the assault. I was skeptical of the "brain bleed" comment coming from his GOP official lawyer. Either way, it must not have been all that severe as he was on Tucker Carlson last night. He did say himself in that interview that he had a CT scan and was diagnosed with a brain hemorrhage so I'll take him at his word and consider myself corrected on that point. Mea culpa, mea culpa...

The other people were hit with things like crow bars. On the head

Pretty sure it was an aluminum walking cane. I don't know about the bald the guy, but he looked like he got the worst of everyone. It's sad. The whole thing is pretty pathetic. That grown people do this # is ridiculous.

And yet they do. The difference between you and I on this issue is that when I see it, what I see is that there are two groups of people engaging in these fights and they all know exactly what they're getting into. You yourself just saw in the other thread, posts like the one about how outraged dude was that this "innocent bystander who wasn't provoking anyone" was violently assaulted by thugs. And how watching a video of an Antifa clown getting knocked out made him feel better.

You on the other hand are more like "I condemn all violence... but Antifa!" because on some level I guess you're invested in the Antifa boogeyman.

Heyer was in her own hometown, so is Ngo. What does that have anything to do with anything

I was just pointing out how incomparable the two were. Ngo wasn't attacked by somebody who traveled hundreds of miles to invade his town.

Your point with Ngo is that he deserves no shmpycause he took sides in these two dumb groups battling each other

With heyer who also took a side with these groups, you defend her. Why is that?

You continue to misrepresent my position. I'm not particularly sympathetic to Ngo, not because he "took sides" per se, but because:

1. He's an integral part of the outrage machine and as such, he helps promote this # by giving these people a wider audience that they crave.

2. As a "journalist," he is deliberately misrepresenting facts, he legitimizes violent right-wing thugs, he mainstreams them, he provides cover for them and he helps to stir partisan animosity at the national level in doing so.

He's a bad actor. Did he "deserve" to get punched? For the 4th or 5th time, no. I hope the guy who punched him is caught, charged and convicted. I have even less sympathy for him. But in general, I have trouble working up much sympathy for people who willingly engage in these violent skirmishes or people who profit from it. I'm not glad it happened. I hope he's fine. I'm not donating to his gofundme.

There's almost nothing in common between Heather Heyer, the Unite the Right event itself, her murder, etc and Andy Ngo, the event he was assaulted at or the assault. It's just such a bizarre comparison to me.

Your whataboutsim with Antifa is always disturbing

I can condemn violence on all sides, no problem

Oh brother. Whataboutism? There are literally two groups of people in Portland who willingly engage in this bull# together. If two people were in a duel and you posted "Vicious thug shoots down rival in the street" and I reminded you that it was a duel, would that be whataboutism? I don't think so.

Better yet, let me remind you of this thread that you posted 2 days after the Charlottesville car attack:

Video that shows at least some of the violence in Charlottesville was started by counter protestors

A neo-Nazi runs over a bunch of people, crippling some, maiming others for life and killing a woman — the day after hundreds of invading Nazi-chant-chanting torch wielding thugs beat the # out of a dozen local college kids (who weren't Anitfa) — and you were making sure everyone knew that there was also left-wing violence?

And you're now accusing me of whataboutism? Holy Hell. C'mon!

It is really starting to seem like you respect Antifa t

Which honestly is a shame

Wow. What a cheap shot. Respect them? What exactly are you basing that on? Nothing *I've* said, clearly. No respect at all and furthermore, not much in the way of sympathy for anyone who gets injured or arrested while willfully engaging in hooliganism.

How many times do I need to reiterate this? I'm not the one who has a double standard here.

a reply to: theantediluvian

Was it antifa that assaulted the journalist?
Is a journalist in portland not afforded 1st amendment protection?

Wait a minute...
Antifa beat an openly gay man on the last day of pride month?
How can anyone defend these homophobes?

a reply to: 1point92AU

Thank you for writing up that little history lesson..

Modern day antifa..anti-fasism, anti-capitalism, anti-government...anti everything actually that puts a small percentage of a population in a position of power.

Extreme socialists and communisits that believe everything should be divided equally. I have no sympathy for their cause but I can't help but smerk sometimes when government wants to push something down ouf thoats and these guys are there on the barricates with molotovs resisting.

Their view is that you have to use force to fight force and sometimes with governments this does seem to be nessecary...I'm not condoning it but...

If I am allowed to stereotype a little bit...over here these antifa guys are usually easy to recognise, if not by sight it would be by smell. Squaters and homeless etc...hippies with violent tendencies.

Now let's look at a day in the life of it's American counterpart:

On the morning of Donald Trump's inauguration, Keval Bhatt hunted through a closet in his parents' Virginia home for the darkest clothes he could find.

The 19-year-old didn't own much in black, the color he knew his fellow protesters would wear head to toe on the streets of Washington that day.

As Bhatt drove into the city for his first-ever protest, he hesitated.

"I thought, there's a very good chance that I might get arrested, that my whole life could be radically altered in a negative way if I kept driving, and I was really close to turning around

This doesn't fit the MO of antifa. This seems more like a confused kid inspired by movies line "V".

And this is the whole problem. This is not opposing oppression, this is just a kid wanting to join the ranks of left vs right.

I know it makes it easier to identify but is anyone of the impression that banning antifa, banning black clothes, banning face masks is going to solve the problem?

Using my "Carlinism" here, are some of you guys insisting that changing the name of the decease is going to change the decease?

I agree that the thugs who molested Ngo should be brought to justice but only those guys! You can fight the whole movement but that isn't going to change a damn thing.

As a matter of fact it is helping those wanting to manipulate public opinion. If I was going fullblown conspiracy on this I could see how hiring some people dressed up like antifa thugs and make them beat me up could sway public opinion. The cost: a black eye and some bruises. The gain: a 100.000 bucks, a failing career pulled out of the dumpster and TPTB are helped with banning that which they fear most, an uprising.

This going to contnue untill every one with a opposing thought is either dead or in jail.

Who was it again that said a nation devided against itself cannot stand? Pay attention America.

Peace

a reply to: 1point92AU

I cannot give you enough stars, thank you for the information.

this is what ATS was when I joined.

a reply to: operation mindcrime

the fact that you may have already known this information really makes your postions in this thread look a lot worse.

you know that correct? Your countryman has literally cut the legs out from under you, and you thanked him for it.

oops.

So the american antifa could possibly be funded by russia is mindblowing, but really not unexpected.

the fact that antifa has reached america 100 years later is amazing, I guess we are not trendsetters any longer

everything old is new again

a reply to: thedigirati

Reading comprehension is also a thing...

It was explained that what people are calling Antifa today has nothing to do with antifa of the past.

From the post you applauded:

"The Left in the USA is uneducated about Antifa History, even those in the USA calling themself Antifa have no idea what Antifa is."

Peace

a reply to: 1point92AU

Some of this is known by a few of us who have looked in the right places. Pictures of the flags have been posted for example, and they are nearly carbon copies.

a reply to: operation mindcrime

The phrase "useful idiots" comes to mind because they certainly aren't anti-fascists either.

a reply to: operation mindcrime

and yet, both the old and new antifa act the same, with violence, is that not correct?

once again YOUR comprehension fails at the reality of what is.

which is also why you look more foolish now.

a reply to: theantediluvian

I posted a thread showing there was violence on both sides in Charlottesville

You have every right to say there is violence in both sides in Portland

The difference is, I didn’t go in to call a victim of violence in Charlottesville a bad actor just because she was with the violent thugs in one side

You however did just that with Ngo, even going so far as to claim his injuries were exaggerated with no proof at all

You are the one with a double standard

I condemn all political violence and don’t go on about how non violent victims deserve no sympathy

Your claims about Ngo being such a bad journalist are garbage by the way

Cnn has had people legitimize Antifa

If one of them are beaten, will you claim their injuries are exaggerated and they are bad actors because they legitimize violent thugs?

You are smart and talk a good game, but your intentions are able to be seen through your veneer

People that are objective don’t say victims are faking their injuries

Just like objective people don’t continue to say things like “let’s not make a saint” out of ten Covington kid who was harassed by adult racist, smeared by the press, and received death threats, (after which all you still tried to justify that in some way by posting 8 second clips that had nothing to do with that kid)

You calling out Ngo after being beat for being a bad journalist is as disgusting as the white nationalist who called out heyer for hanging out with Antifa types

a reply to: thedigirati

You want to label it antifa, I see it as a confused leftwing americans...terminology is not going to change the problem.

I don't agree on the violence but I can enjoy a good case of civil disobedience when for instance a government demands all weapons be handed in and you get these "you can get my gun when you pry it from my cold dead fingers" types..

It is what is sometimes needed to keep a government in check...

What's is happenng in US today has nothing to do with antifa but more with your polarised society.

Peace

originally posted by: JohnS23

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: theantediluvian

I gotta say, if people are out there looking to get into a fight with Antifa, and they get beat up, that's their problem.

I'm tactical in nearly everything I do.

I live by a particular set of rules and it goes something like this:

Don't go to stupid places with stupid people to do stupid things.

If one lives by these rules, getting one's ass kicked by Antifa or whoever those right wing idiots are, doesn't happen.

The history books are littered with cowards that wouldn't stand up against totalitarian thugs. People like you are the reason the Stalin's, the Hitler's and the Mao's rise to power. Less people like you and more people like the "right wing idiots" would prevent that.

OK. Thanks for playing.