Antifa attacks journalist in Portland

a reply to: operation mindcrime

Ngo being there is no more foolish than you being here.

It's quite the same, except, we did not beat you physically, we did beat every lame point you tried to make with words.

you still defend rape whether you admit it or even like it.

we tried to give you the chance to defend yourself, more than Antifa did for Mr. Ngo.

it's not our fault your attempts were feeble at best, we mostly ignored your goalpost moving and deflection

we agree to disagree.

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: operation mindcrime

Yes you are making the exact argument rape victim shamers make

“Don’t you think it was foolish for you to walk in that part of town with a short skirt?”

But then wouldn't you have to add that the woman who was raped had been posting online to the men in that community that she would be out walking the streets on that night and had this big rape fantasy...?

I'm not saying anybody deserves to be raped and would never condone it but wouldn't anybody in this scenario say:" well that was a bit foolish"

Peace

a reply to: thedigirati

It did kind of feel like I was standing in this big circle jerk and it felt kind of awkward but exiciting at the same time...i never had this much replies.

Peace

youtu.be...

Here's an excellent video by Tim Pool about the hazards journalists face when dealing with Antifa vs "far right" groups(ie free speech advocates).

The relevant part starts at about 8:20.

This is particularly relevant for Anti and the others in here that have been engaging in 2 days worth of whataboutism.

Side note- some posters here are condemning groups like Patriot Prayer and the Proud Boys as equal opportunity aggressors. This is a lie.

Those 2 groups ALWAYS have the appropriate permits for their rallies and protests. Always. They have every right to engage in these events and if not for Antifa they would be 100% peaceful with not one can of people spray or crowbar to be found. The reason those 2 groups have started fighting back and carrying weapons is because they were the ones constantly being attacked.

Antifa will almost always show up to start crap with groups that have a legal permit to protest and/or gather.

This goes back to the violence done to Trjmp supporters at Trump rallies and the violence inflicted on people going to see Milo, Shapiro, Peterson.

The rise of groups like Patriot Prayer, Proud Boys and all the rest is 100% the fault of Antifa. It's because of the mob violence committed by Antifa that these groups started acting as a shield for normal citizens that wished to exercise their RIGHTS as American citizens and engage in Free Speech and the Right of Assembly.

Yes the PB's and PP have evolved from there to being an aggressor sometimes, rarely, but let's not forget WHY those groups even exist.

And if the Socialist slime had condemned Antifa from the beginning instead of praising and defending them we probably aren't were we are right now.

So to all the Leftists, Socialists and other assorted doorknobs: give yourself a pat on the back because the root cause of ALL of this is YOU.

a reply to: operation mindcrime

No it would be more like the woman was reporting that men in her town were raping women and she was outraged by it

Then she walks around with a skirt and is raped

Then people like you say “well hey, she shouldn’t have been walking around in a short skirt if she was running her mouth in-line saying rape was bad”

a reply to: Grambler

You see...that's where your tactic of using comparisons fail. It's your thread and maybe you should stick to the subject..

Or are we going to fill the next pages on setting the terms for this rape story of yours so it meets the parameters of the Ngo story?

Peace

a reply to: operation mindcrime

you are almost correct, there was a circle, and there was a jerk at the center


other than that well.........

Like every other thing you have written you almost got it.

It's ok, we understand.

your antifa is better than our antifa, be proud!

a reply to: operation mindcrime

Hey I would want to change the subject if people brought up the disgustingness of my victim shaming as well

This thread was about a journalist committing no violence being beaten by Antifa

It was also about people making excuses for this left wing violence

That would be you, hence why it’s in topic to point out your disgusting victim shaming

Update! Andy Ngo's Lawyer Just Announced She Will Sue EVERYONE.

You can skip to the 2 minute mark to get the interview with Andy's lawyer.

a reply to: Grambler

The problem is you can see how left wing people will deflect from this

Did you really expect otherwise?

Every post that is apologetic for Antifa in this thread seems to have a couple of talking points in common: either "the other side is just as bad" or "the guy deserved it." I reject both of those talking points immediately.

"The other side is just as bad" is totally irrelevant, because I'm not advocating anything based on political stance. I'm denouncing violence. So saying "Proud Boys are just as bad" doesn't hold any water, because I will denounce them just as fast if I see a video of them beating someone up while the cops watch. People are responsible for their own actions.

I'll point out, again, that the Patriot Prayer people did not strike me as the aggressor in the video that started this; they simply stood their ground. All I said against them is that it is possible they may have said something or made a gesture to instigate the confrontation. I did not see one; I simply stated it was possible. If they didn't, then this was an attack instigated solely by Antifa. If they did, they share in the blame. Either way, Antifa certainly were instigators.

Saying "he deserved it" is downright scary to me. It is extremely easy to decide someone probably "deserved" whatever happened to him. The only way someone deserves a beating is if they try to give someone a beating, and in that case it's really self-defense. What Ngo deserved was simple human respect, no more, no less. If he's a shill, then let it be known he's a shill... he won't be able to shill any more, or at least not do any good trying it. If he shouldn't have been there, then arrest him for trespassing. There is no circumstance outside of throwing a first punch that makes this statement relevant in any way.

The dangerous part of all this is that these same people who are now defending and apologizing for Antifa may someday be the victim of violence, and if that happens they might be without any legal recourse. This is literally precedent being written in front of our eyes.

I still remember studying the French Revolution in college. It intrigued me, because I saw so many parallels to today's society in America. Those who would advocate for this violence should remember something: The French revolution started when a group of people overthrew Louis and Marie, but it didn't end there. Next a group of other people overthrew the overthrowers, then yet another group overthrew the overthrowers of the overthrowers. Everyone involved got to know the guillotine real close-up and personal.

The lesson of history: those who would use violence to overthrow others are themselves in danger of being overthrown with violence.

TheRedneck

a reply to: kyosuke

Update! Andy Ngo's Lawyer Just Announced She Will Sue EVERYONE.

And I doubt it will do any good.

Suing the individual Antifa members is problematic and impotent. They would have to be identifiable from a grainy video, while wearing hoods and masks. Even if they were to be convicted, I seriously doubt they have any money to take, and they probably wouldn't consider it the end of the world if someone took everything they have. Jail time, hard, long jail time, is the only thing that might... might... dissuade them.

The only thing that will stop them for sure is cranial ventilation... which I do not support.

Suing the city officials might do a little bit of good for Andy Ngo, but as for fixing the issue? Nope. Even if the city loses a fortune, they'll just raise taxes and fees on the people. If you put the government officials out of power, chances are the same people who put them in power will put someone else in power just like them. You will have to bring serious criminal charges against the officials responsible, serious enough to demand hard jail time, before you will even make others think twice about their agenda. This has simply become too entrenched.

Which explains my first post in this thread. When (not if) Donald Trump is announced as the winner of the 2020 Presidency, normal people need to not be in the streets for any reason anywhere. They really do not need to even be close to any major metropolitan area. There will be blood. The die is cast; the sides are chosen; the starting gun is about to fire. Me? I'm on my side and no one else's. If everything goes to crap, I'll be right here with enough weaponry to finish a small war... because I will finish any war that starts here.

Antifa be warned.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

Wait...so you studied french revolution and you are saying the storming of the bastille was a bad idea?

Sorry for the offtopic...I was out of this thread already.

Peace

a reply to: operation mindcrime

Nope.

Not saying that.

I'm saying that violence begets violence, and no one supporting violence should be surprised when violence befalls them. I'll be here to condemn it, of course, as I always do... but that is really of little condolence to someone who is lying in the hospital being treated for a brain hemorrhage.

Try reading the words before coming to the conclusion. If you try that, you might find yourself not having to run away from a thread to escape your own words.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

I'm sorry if I stepped on your toes with pointing out the ridiculousness of your story about the french revolution to say that:

The lesson of history: those who would use violence to overthrow others are themselves in danger of being overthrown with violence.

If that is what you got out of your education you either didn't pay attention or you need a refund.

It's like using the actions of the sons of liberty as a plead against destroying property.

Oh and I wasn't escaping from the thread, I was merely tired of going around in circles. I could hang around a little longer if that's what you want but others have pointed out that they have tried to give me a chance on this thread so I assumed (big word on this thread) you guys didn't want me here anymore...

Peace

a reply to: operation mindcrime

I would t want you to leave

I love discussing things with people I disagree with

I find your stance ridiculous but I like the conversation

Again, this would have been the shortest thread on ATS if everyone really was against any political group using violence to anyone who didn’t think like them.

But no.

Leftists really do hate the 1st Amendment and the right for anyone to speak freely.

Anti-American douche-waffles.

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: operation mindcrime

I would t want you to leave

I love discussing things with people I disagree with

I find your stance ridiculous but I like the conversation

I like to call it controversial...but only in certain threads.

But I'll stick around. Allow me to reload a second...I already missed one episode of the great british bakeoff and I really should consider some sleep.

Same time, same place tomorrow?

Peace

Allow me to rectify that a bit for you..

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Again, this would have been the shortest thread on ATS if everyone really was into Trump like I am

But no.

Leftists really do hate the 1st Amendment and the right for anyone to speak freely.

Anti-American douche-waffles.

Lets keep it civilised shall we?

Peace

a reply to: operation mindcrime

Love the British bake off

One of the shows my wife and I both like

a reply to: operation mindcrime

No.

I defend free speech. Even anti-Trump diatribes.

I defend all speech.

I’d ask to prove me wrong but we all know you can’t.