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originally posted by: operation mindcrime
a reply to: operation mindcrime
I'm aware that we are on different timetables and I'm affraid that we aren't going to have much time to play...
So if you allow me to answer my post in your honor I can get on with this and you just fill in what I didn't get right.
*hey Mindcrime, your post is absolute irrelevant jibberish and you fail to adress the main issue here that you are condoning violant acts upon an innocent reporter.
What you are doing us victim blaiming and it is disgusting. It is people like you would say to a rape victim that they had it coming because they wear a short skirt.
Yeah I got that the first 4 times but what I am trying to point out is that the term victim needs a little closer examination.
If I was enjoying the nice scenic view in some national park and a grizzlybear was circling my car, damaging my paintjob.
The parkranger said if such an event occured that I should stay in the car for my own safety but I was convinced that treehugging parkranger hippy was on the side of the grizzlybear and ignored the warning to step out of the car to give the bear a piece of my mind.
It is a free country and no one can tell me to stay in my car. But if the grizzlybear was not open for discussion and attacked me, would I be:
A: the victim of a bear attack
B: responsible for my injuries for inciting a bear
You see I can't get over the fact that a rape victim does not willfully expose herself to a certain danger but mr.Ngo seems to do just that.
Is the only reply to that "because he should be free to do so"...I am free to engage in a conversation with a grizzlybear but that doesn't make it a smart move.
Doesn't freedom come with the responsibility to use your freaking common sense?
No I got the message from your post, it was just that your comparison struck me as extremely ironical because you took an example of where violence actually was the only option.
We already concluded that the antifa that we know from it's origins has little to no resemblence to what is walking around Portland.
This is antifa:
And I know the police is ignoring the assaults on mr.Ngo because everytime he got a milkshake thrown at him he reportered to the police and they did nothing...must have been to busy eating donuts or are on the side of antifa who were busy chanting "all cops are bastards".
I am still not saying mr.Ngo should have been beaten but I am also not one to join the bandwagon of people saying antifa is the problem. Not the ameicn version of antifa anyway.
We don't have that much violent protests where I come from but we got football and it resembles this situation in that you have a team, which has supporters.
So basically you have to wait till they actually do something that is illegal. Twist in this story is the fanbase likes to wear same clothes and cover their faces.
Ban face covering. I'm all for that!!
But in Portland this doesn't seem to be mandatory just yet so what do you expect law enforcement to do when somebody is deadset on finding trouble?
I agree with you that police should be doing their job but what exactly was their job?
Shutting the protest down would only negatively influence the cause of the only legite protest that was there that day...it wasn't an antifa protest. "Antifa" was there without any permit to protest.
Police was there to assure the protest that was being held could be held unobstructed. Their main objective wasn't arresting people throwing milkshakes. I don't condone it but before you know it you're running around chasing people throwing confetti because somebody doesn't like it.
Andy didn't deserve being beaten up but andy also didn't "find himself in an unruly mob", andy was looking for an unrurly mob...there is a big difference.
I would expect the cop to protect my rights just as much as the next guy but I am also not expecting thè cops to follow me around like some babysitter.
I get your point but the First Amendment protects your right to express your opinion. Even if antifa shows up and they have a name for using violence untill they use such violence they are allowed to express their dislike with the patriot prayers.
Remember that second assault I showed you..
This may or may not be an antifa supporter but untill he covers his face and starts beating mr.Ngo he is just a guy throwing a milkshake.
Mr.Ngo insisting on making arrests doesn't make sense in the same way that you would not walk up to a cop who was in the process of handling an other case that he would drop everything and follow you to the cafeteria where you got in a dispute over bad service.
The police were there to ensure the patriot prayers got to hold their rally.