The Liberal Democrats Want To Stop Brexit. Can Someone Help Me With This.

a reply to: ScepticScot

I have stated the we shouldn't leave if the majority want to stay. The only way to know is a referendum.

If the referendum process is not being respected by the government, then why have another one?

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: ScepticScot

I haven't stated the majority want to stay.
I have stated the we shouldn't leave if the majority want to stay.

And wasn't the referendum result (albeit for those who could be bothered

to vote) LEAVE

The only way to know is a referendum.

What did the British public vote in to *leave* if it wasnt a referendum???

If you are going accuse others of talking nonsense you might want to pay more attention.

If the cap fits...........................

In 2016, as ready covered in numerous posts.

As I said, it's good to pay attention.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: ScepticScot

I haven't stated the majority want to stay.
I have stated the we shouldn't leave if the majority want to stay.

And wasn't the referendum result (albeit for those who could be bothered

to vote) LEAVE

The only way to know is a referendum.

What did the British public vote in to *leave* if it wasnt a referendum???

If you are going accuse others of talking nonsense you might want to pay more attention.

If the cap fits...........................

In 2016, as ready covered in numerous posts.

As I said, it's good to pay attention.

OK, we see and we raise you one then.

Was that vote legal or not Scot?

If it was legal you need to pound sand and apparently it was legal.

Can anyone give an example of a reputable Political Party, who where part of The UK Coalition Government between 2010-2015, who campaigned to overturn the democratic wish of the people?

This is what The Liberal Democrats are actually doing.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Tartuffe

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Tartuffe

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Tartuffe

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: ScepticScot

They want to stop brexit.

Why ? Do they not respect democracy ? The will of the people. Or only when it goes the way THEY want it to.

And you ask me why i am confused.

If the majority people want to stay now do you think we should still leave?

When the majority voted in 2016 to leave, do you think we should now stay ?

You didn't answer the question.

It's 2019 now, if the majority want to stay should we still leave?

I will answer it this way.

Do you think the result of the 2016 Referendum should be declared null and void and tossed into the waste paper bin?

That's a question not an answer.

I think that the only democratic way change the result of a referendum is another referendum.

Are you willing to answer my question now?

But it’s not democratic to change the result of a referendum. The democratic way is to leave the EU, then if you want to join the EU at a later date, have another referendum.

Why should we leave if the majority no longer want to?

The majority wanted to, as determined by the vote.

3 years ago. Do you think we should leave even if majority now want to stay?

How do you know the majority want to stay? The vote said otherwise.

As posted before I don't. That's why we need another referendum.

Also you didn't answer the question

Well we do know because there already was a referendum. The vote answered that question already.

originally posted by: PsychoEmperor

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: alldaylong

You had a vote.

You don't get a "re-do" just because you don't like the results.

SMH

Just leave already!

I think you might be slightly confused about how democracy works.

I believe you're the one that's confused. IF there was a second vote it should be after the first vote is honored. In America we Elected President Trump, many in the media and elite didn't believe America voted correctly. Should they have held another vote before he was sworn in? Of course not. The vote is honored, he becomes President and if we don't' like it, we vote again in 2020 to re elect him or someone else.

So the UK voted to Exit the European Union, they should honor that vote and exit. They can have a revote AFTER the first vote is honored. THAT"S how democracy works, you don't keep re-voting hoping to change the results before honoring the results of the first vote.

Applause 👏

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: ScepticScot

I think that the only democratic way change the result of a referendum is another referendum

So lets get this clear.

You think it's democratic to have another referendum that you hope wipe out the result of the initial democratic referendum, which you don't want to democratically honour.

What kind of nonsense is that ?

The nonsense is thinking we should leave even in the majority don't want to.

Show me evidence where you think there is a majority to stay ?

Plenty of polls suggesting that.

I don't know 100% anymore than you do.

Maybe a referendum is in order.

We already had a referendum numbnut.

You have to be trolling, surely?

Beware!

Scottish Trolls influencing peoples political decisions.

Where's Mueller?

a reply to: ScepticScot

Oh ... so I see.

They voted to leave, and that's illegitimate, and now they need to vote again, and if that vote says stay, it means they need to stay, but if they vote a third time and it says leave. It doesn't mean they need to take any action ... no, no, no, it just means there's no clear majority.

Thank you for playing, Mr. I Want To Stay and Don't Care How It Happens.

If it matters that much to you to be a part of the glorious EU, why don't you move to one of the EU member states?

originally posted by: ScepticScot

In 2016, as ready covered in numerous posts.

Yes, and its now 2019 so WHY has it not been implemented yet ?

Because the will of the people is being sabotaged by the politicians.

As I said, it's good to pay attention.

Tell that to the politicians......because they aren't listening!

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: odzeandennz

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: alldaylong

You had a vote.

You don't get a "re-do" just because you don't like the results.

SMH

Just leave already!

I think you might be slightly confused about how democracy works.

enlighten us on how democracy works

It involves the ability to change previous decisions for a start.

Until what goal is achieved, yours? If the vote is again to leave, should a third vote be held? If you win and Brexit goes away, should another vote be held?

I am curious to hear how you justify this.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep...
politicians should not have the power to stop the will of the people.

British Common Law: ‘the state may do nothing but that which is expressly authorised by law, while the individual may do anything but that which is forbidden by law'

The situation as it currently stands is individuals in the SDP (amongst others) are campaigning for the state to break the law (European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Act 2017).

They seem confident they will not be prosecuted for this incitement.

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: ScepticScot


What kind of nonsense is that ?

Sounds like trollopxing nonsense to me.

a reply to: ScepticScot

I do have to say well done. You have manage to keep this going for 6 pages now.
Troll award on it's way.

a reply to: alldaylong


Liberal democrats are basically just cheerleaders for open borders and globalism. Brexit is at odds with both. So they oppose it.

a reply to: alldaylong


Sorry double post.

a reply to: ScepticScot

The majority did decide to leave and that should be honored. Not wait 3 years while Europe floods your country with refugees then say maybe we need a revote. If you guys voted to leave then leave your country would be ok you have vast oil fields you have one of the best militaries in the world, you got lots of arable land to grow crops. You might lose trading partners in Europe that is true but you still have all your commonwealth nations to trade with plus the Americas the carribean ,India and China you all would be ok Europe on the other hand would really be struggling

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: The GUT

originally posted by: uncommitted

Got to love those founding fathers, making sure their interests would be kept safe.

Amazing that it actually worked in our favor for once. One is tempted to think a divine hand interrupted. These days it seems we--meaning us and you--have a common globalist problem. If it's any consolation---I don't think we are doing much, if any, better than y'all addressing it. Bitching about it is, maybe, personally helpful as far as getting it out of the system but woefully short of a sufficient response.

Strange how Trump didn't agree with you about the electoral college until it brought him the election though. At least for the most part we honour the majority - democracy for you I guess. Each to their own really.

Strange how he never said that but HRC and the DNC did.

DJT was referring to illegals voting in several states. He would challenge the results if he thought they CHEATED. Since they often get caught in the DNC cheating an reporting more votes than registered voters in the Leftist cities, we can tell who is cheating easily.

You really are an interesting one aren't you? He called the electoral college a 'disaster' as far back as 2012.

www.nationalpopularvote.com...

Best thing to do is usually to check facts before refuting someone, it stops you looking stupid when it only takes a minute to look.

originally posted by: Tartuffe

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Tartuffe

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Tartuffe

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Tartuffe

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: ScepticScot

They want to stop brexit.

Why ? Do they not respect democracy ? The will of the people. Or only when it goes the way THEY want it to.

And you ask me why i am confused.

If the majority people want to stay now do you think we should still leave?

When the majority voted in 2016 to leave, do you think we should now stay ?

You didn't answer the question.

It's 2019 now, if the majority want to stay should we still leave?

I will answer it this way.

Do you think the result of the 2016 Referendum should be declared null and void and tossed into the waste paper bin?

That's a question not an answer.

I think that the only democratic way change the result of a referendum is another referendum.

Are you willing to answer my question now?

But it’s not democratic to change the result of a referendum. The democratic way is to leave the EU, then if you want to join the EU at a later date, have another referendum.

Why should we leave if the majority no longer want to?

The majority wanted to, as determined by the vote.

3 years ago. Do you think we should leave even if majority now want to stay?

How do you know the majority want to stay? The vote said otherwise.

As posted before I don't. That's why we need another referendum.

Also you didn't answer the question

Well we do know because there already was a referendum. The vote answered that question already.

3 year ago as covered about 6 times.

Do you want to answer if you think we should still leave even if the majority want to stay now?

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: ScepticScot

I think that the only democratic way change the result of a referendum is another referendum

So lets get this clear.

You think it's democratic to have another referendum that you hope wipe out the result of the initial democratic referendum, which you don't want to democratically honour.

What kind of nonsense is that ?

The nonsense is thinking we should leave even in the majority don't want to.

Show me evidence where you think there is a majority to stay ?

Plenty of polls suggesting that.

I don't know 100% anymore than you do.

Maybe a referendum is in order.

We already had a referendum numbnut.

You have to be trolling, surely?

A different opinion means I'm trolling?