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The Liberal Democrats Want To Stop Brexit. Can Someone Help Me With This.

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posted on Apr, 26 2019 @ 09:10 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: ScepticScot

And if in 2019 the vote says stay but 6 months after that, the vote says leave? What then?


Then it would suggest there is not a clear majority either way.




posted on Apr, 26 2019 @ 09:10 AM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

So?



posted on Apr, 26 2019 @ 09:11 AM
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originally posted by: IAMTAT
If only the Brits could think of some historical example, whereby a country fought for (and won) it's independence and freedom from an empire trying to control it's economic and governmental decisions.


Zimbabwe?



posted on Apr, 26 2019 @ 09:11 AM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: watchitburn

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: ScepticScot




They want to stop brexit.



Wait....So denying and delaying the results of a legal vote...nullifies it?

Why ? Do they not respect democracy ? The will of the people. Or only when it goes the way THEY want it to.

And you ask me why i am confused.





If the majority people want to stay now do you think we should still leave?


When the majority voted in 2016 to leave, do you think we should now stay ?


You didn't answer the question.

It's 2019 now, if the majority want to stay should we still leave?


But you already did vote, and the majority voted to leave.


In 2016. It's now 2019.



Wait...So delaying and denying the results of a legitimate vote for three years...nullifies it?
edit on 26-4-2019 by IAMTAT because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 26 2019 @ 09:12 AM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: ScepticScot




They want to stop brexit.


Why ? Do they not respect democracy ? The will of the people. Or only when it goes the way THEY want it to.

And you ask me why i am confused.





If the majority people want to stay now do you think we should still leave?


When the majority voted in 2016 to leave, do you think we should now stay ?


You didn't answer the question.

It's 2019 now, if the majority want to stay should we still leave?


I will answer it this way.

Do you think the result of the 2016 Referendum should be declared null and void and tossed into the waste paper bin?



That's a question not an answer.

I think that the only democratic way change the result of a referendum is another referendum.

Are you willing to answer my question now?


But it’s not democratic to change the result of a referendum. The democratic way is to leave the EU, then if you want to join the EU at a later date, have another referendum.



posted on Apr, 26 2019 @ 09:13 AM
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originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: ScepticScot



What's not complicated?


We voted to leave and we have not left. Hope this helps.


I don't think anyone thinks we have left.



posted on Apr, 26 2019 @ 09:15 AM
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originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: watchitburn

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: ScepticScot




They want to stop brexit.



Wait....So denying and delaying the results of a legal vote...nullifies it?

Why ? Do they not respect democracy ? The will of the people. Or only when it goes the way THEY want it to.

And you ask me why i am confused.





If the majority people want to stay now do you think we should still leave?


When the majority voted in 2016 to leave, do you think we should now stay ?


You didn't answer the question.

It's 2019 now, if the majority want to stay should we still leave?


But you already did vote, and the majority voted to leave.


In 2016. It's now 2019.



Wait...So delaying and denying the results of a legitimate vote for three years...nullifies it?


No. It was always the case the process would take years.



posted on Apr, 26 2019 @ 09:15 AM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: watchitburn

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: ScepticScot




They want to stop brexit.


Why ? Do they not respect democracy ? The will of the people. Or only when it goes the way THEY want it to.

And you ask me why i am confused.





If the majority people want to stay now do you think we should still leave?


When the majority voted in 2016 to leave, do you think we should now stay ?


You didn't answer the question.

It's 2019 now, if the majority want to stay should we still leave?


But you already did vote, and the majority voted to leave.


In 2016. It's now 2019.


Come off it. The last General Election was in 2017. By your logic as it is now 2019 we should have another one. Your logic, and your grip on the idea of democracy, is slipping.



posted on Apr, 26 2019 @ 09:15 AM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: ScepticScot



What's not complicated?


We voted to leave and we have not left. Hope this helps.


I don't think anyone thinks we have left.


Eh?



posted on Apr, 26 2019 @ 09:17 AM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: watchitburn

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: ScepticScot




They want to stop brexit.



Wait....So denying and delaying the results of a legal vote...nullifies it?

Why ? Do they not respect democracy ? The will of the people. Or only when it goes the way THEY want it to.

And you ask me why i am confused.





If the majority people want to stay now do you think we should still leave?


When the majority voted in 2016 to leave, do you think we should now stay ?


You didn't answer the question.

It's 2019 now, if the majority want to stay should we still leave?


But you already did vote, and the majority voted to leave.


In 2016. It's now 2019.



Wait...So delaying and denying the results of a legitimate vote for three years...nullifies it?


No. It was always the case the process would take years.


Yes. Until March 29th 2019, to be precise.



posted on Apr, 26 2019 @ 09:17 AM
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originally posted by: Tartuffe

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: ScepticScot




They want to stop brexit.


Why ? Do they not respect democracy ? The will of the people. Or only when it goes the way THEY want it to.

And you ask me why i am confused.





If the majority people want to stay now do you think we should still leave?


When the majority voted in 2016 to leave, do you think we should now stay ?


You didn't answer the question.

It's 2019 now, if the majority want to stay should we still leave?


I will answer it this way.

Do you think the result of the 2016 Referendum should be declared null and void and tossed into the waste paper bin?



That's a question not an answer.

I think that the only democratic way change the result of a referendum is another referendum.

Are you willing to answer my question now?


But it’s not democratic to change the result of a referendum. The democratic way is to leave the EU, then if you want to join the EU at a later date, have another referendum.


Why should we leave if the majority no longer want to?



posted on Apr, 26 2019 @ 09:20 AM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

Well, why not have a vote every couple of weeks in case someone changes their mind then?



posted on Apr, 26 2019 @ 09:21 AM
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originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: ScepticScot

Well, why not have a vote every couple of weeks in case someone changes their mind then?


3 years isn't every couple of weeks



posted on Apr, 26 2019 @ 09:31 AM
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This how the British should've managed the American revolution.

"Dear Colonists:

Rest assured, your King is working hard to bring about that whole "independence" thing, you peasants seemed so excited about.

Just give us an unlimited amount of time to bring all that about for you...and, in the meantime, carry on as usual.


Your Pal,

George III"



posted on Apr, 26 2019 @ 09:35 AM
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originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: alldaylong

They believe that the people did not have all the information and/or they were lied to about what brexit really means for the country.


If you ask anyone who voted to leave "did they know what they voted for

or were they misled" they will tell you without exception, that they knew

exactly what they voted for.

It is the patronising politicians who think they know better than the

people whom they consider to be stupid!!!




Do you think the population made a well informed vote the first time?



I think i would come as a huge surprise to those who think a second vote

would be any different to the first one.



posted on Apr, 26 2019 @ 09:37 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
The way I see it (as an outsider from America) the people voted to leave.


Then we have a massive 3 year campaign full of social engineering, media manipulation, massive foot-dragging by Parliament etc, and now want another vote.

And this is what some call. . . "democracy".


That's true, possibly, but it's not the same as a president saying another country will pay for a very expensive project, then expecting it to be paid for out of tax dollars from their own country and moaning that other people don't find that 'democratic' as they hadn't voted for their money to be spent on it....

But hey, it's always easier commenting on how a different country works.




posted on Apr, 26 2019 @ 09:38 AM
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originally posted by: IAMTAT
If only the Brits could think of some historical example, whereby a country fought for (and won) it's independence and freedom from an empire trying to control it's economic and governmental decisions.


You mean having to ally ourselves with the French because we wouldn't be strong enough to achieve such a task on our own - that's a historical example from somewhere I'm sure.



posted on Apr, 26 2019 @ 09:46 AM
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originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: IAMTAT
If only the Brits could think of some historical example, whereby a country fought for (and won) it's independence and freedom from an empire trying to control it's economic and governmental decisions.


You mean having to ally ourselves with the French because we wouldn't be strong enough to achieve such a task on our own - that's a historical example from somewhere I'm sure.



Allies are always helpful.

What's your point?



posted on Apr, 26 2019 @ 09:49 AM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

Why should we leave if the majority no longer want to?



What makes you so sure that the majority no longer want to leave?

Nigel Farrage's new brexit party has shot past all the other parties

so it would seem obvious that the people still want to LEAVE



posted on Apr, 26 2019 @ 09:55 AM
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originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: IAMTAT
If only the Brits could think of some historical example, whereby a country fought for (and won) it's independence and freedom from an empire trying to control it's economic and governmental decisions.


You mean having to ally ourselves with the French because we wouldn't be strong enough to achieve such a task on our own - that's a historical example from somewhere I'm sure.



Allies are always helpful.

What's your point?


Simple really, Brexit is supposed to be about the UK standing on its own, not having to rely on another country to get it done.

But then your analogy was a typically weak one in the first place, so not sure what point you thought you were making.




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