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The Liberal Democrats Want To Stop Brexit. Can Someone Help Me With This.

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posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 09:50 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: ScepticScot

Oh ... so I see.

They voted to leave, and that's illegitimate, and now they need to vote again, and if that vote says stay, it means they need to stay, but if they vote a third time and it says leave. It doesn't mean they need to take any action ... no, no, no, it just means there's no clear majority.

Thank you for playing, Mr. I Want To Stay and Don't Care How It Happens.

If it matters that much to you to be a part of the glorious EU, why don't you move to one of the EU member states?


I didn't say it was illegitimate.

Do you want respond to anything I have said or is easier to respond to things you have made up?
edit on 27-4-2019 by ScepticScot because: (no reason given)




posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 09:52 AM
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originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: ScepticScot

In 2016, as ready covered in numerous posts.



Yes, and its now 2019 so WHY has it not been implemented yet ?

Because the will of the people is being sabotaged by the politicians.





As I said, it's good to pay attention.


Tell that to the politicians......because they aren't listening!





Because it's a long and complicated process.



posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 09:53 AM
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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: odzeandennz

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: alldaylong

You had a vote.

You don't get a "re-do" just because you don't like the results.

SMH

Just leave already!


I think you might be slightly confused about how democracy works.


enlighten us on how democracy works


It involves the ability to change previous decisions for a start.
Until what goal is achieved, yours? If the vote is again to leave, should a third vote be held? If you win and Brexit goes away, should another vote be held?

I am curious to hear how you justify this.


Do you think the UK should leave even if the majority now want to stay?



posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 09:56 AM
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Can someone tell me how American democrats are going to effect what the UK government does?



posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 10:02 AM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
Can someone tell me how American democrats are going to effect what the UK government does?


They don't. This thread is concerned about the UK Liberal Democrat Party that wants to stay in the EU. Apparently, they just seem to have a similarity to our own US far left Dems. They don't care what others want, just what they deem others should want.



posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 10:45 AM
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originally posted by: CynConcepts

originally posted by: Sillyolme
Can someone tell me how American democrats are going to effect what the UK government does?


They don't. This thread is concerned about the UK Liberal Democrat Party that wants to stay in the EU. Apparently, they just seem to have a similarity to our own US far left Dems. They don't care what others want, just what they deem others should want.


Just like every political party anywhere in the world?



posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 10:53 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: alldaylong

You had a vote.

You don't get a "re-do" just because you don't like the results.

SMH

Just leave already!


Actually that is exactly what democracy is about.

I guess you think now that trump is in power he should stay in power because America already had a vote!!



posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 11:03 AM
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a reply to: Nexttimemaybe

That makes absolutely no sense.



posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 12:07 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Nexttimemaybe

That makes absolutely no sense.


Neither do you, which was the point I was making.

The whole point of democracy is that people can and do change their minds.

The whole brexit thing wad a farce to begin with. If people want another democratic vote make the thing legally binding this time, then there can be no changing.



posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 12:22 PM
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a reply to: Nexttimemaybe

Ummm. . . we have regular elections. That's when we vote.

So you're claiming that you should have a regular Brexit vote every few years?

LOLZ



posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 02:30 PM
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That sticker, BTW, was on his WIFE's car. And yes, she is a remainer. But you can hardly deny her her democratic right to an opinion because she married the speaker, now, can you..



posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 03:17 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScotBecause it's a long and complicated process.


It is, indeed.

As you may know, I'm Dutch, but I have studied and tutor at an English University. That does not give me any right to vote at all on Brexit (or whatever the Brits vote on), but it explains my special interest in the Brexit process.

Now, what amuses me - but also confuses me - is that the left wingers here overwhelmingly seem to be in favour of REMAIN, and the right-wingers here want the UK to LEAVE.

I am very much a left-wing person and hobknob with socialists, anarchists and communists - whom, with no exception are AGAINST the increasing power of Brussels. So, in my world, the left is actually in favour of Brexit, where this darned forum thinks they are not. Amazing!

OTOH, the right wingers here overwhelmingly seem to be in favour of Brexit, which is also quite puzzling, as the right mostly want the market to rule the world, and they were the ones that came up with the idea of the EU in the first place! Remember, that the EU started out as (and still largely is) a free trade zone.

To me, this signifies that we can't nor should reduce the discussion about Brexit to left versus right. I believe that the entire problem with Brexit actually IS that people reduce it to left versus right! But it is not that simple and the process that currently goes on demonstrates it. The main reason that parliament is stuck is - that neither side can jump over its shadow, as any move they make to solve the problem is seen as a victory by their opponents.

Actually, the entire thing was begun not because the Brits genuinely wanted to discuss the EU and the option to leave, heck no. It was, and mostly is still, a fight between left and right and in that fight both parties seem to forget how their ideologies work...

The right should be in favour of remain - but they initiated the Brexit. And the left should be in favour of Brexit - but they are reduced to opposing the right and HENCE are in favour of remain. Such a weird situation!

Now, the only reasonable thing to do - and I believe ms May sincerely tries to do this - is to get both sides in a dialog, and see what they have IN COMMON to see if this may offer a way out. But I'm not sure if the UK parliament, that after all always has been physically divided in two opposing sides (a double swords length apart, I believe..) is really the best instrument to reach a compromise.

The compromise never makes anybody happy, but it is the only way forward. You need to find a solution that sufficiently satisfies both sides. After all, after this thing is over, you Brits still need to live together in the same country, and as things are now, one half would be willing (and perhaps able..) to kill the other half over this.

So, dear Brits, stop pushing this into your personal left / right agenda. It's waaaaaay above that. It's about the future of your entire country, both left and right.
edit on 27-4-2019 by ForteanOrg because: he had to Brexit some spelling errors.



posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 03:28 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: alldaylong

You had a vote.

You don't get a "re-do" just because you don't like the results.

SMH

Just leave already!


For how long? What if the upcoming generations in 5-10 years want to re join the EU? Do they get to vote or will those old farts who tipped the vote to leave, who will be dead by then, get to decide about the future?
But I understand your sentiment. Many of you yanks would love to see Europe up in flames.
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posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 03:52 PM
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Liberals and elites want an end to all borders and independent countries. One world Government.

This is why it was so important for Trump to win. Killary would be setting this country up for a one world government.

The issue is, they very rarely plan ahead, they simply are so centered on the present and their desire to stifle anyone who might have a different opinion (because, of course, they are so much smarter than us, we should just shut up and follow thier orders), they don't see that there is no way that Russia or China or many other countries simply won't follow along. The plan is/was doomed from the start.

That will not happen here in the USA as long as we the people can help it!!

Fred..



posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 04:38 PM
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a reply to: XCrycek

Actually I'd like to see sovereign nations return to being sovereign nations.

But if y'all want to be a one-world government thing, knock yourselves out.




posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 04:50 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Oh, come on DBCowboy .. "sovereign nations" ..



posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 04:53 PM
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a reply to: ForteanOrg

If the EU fits, wear it.

*shrugs*

Not my circus, not my monkeys.

Now if this shyte happens in the US, I will be on the side of sovereignty.




posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 04:56 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: XCrycek

Actually I'd like to see sovereign nations return to being sovereign nations.

But if y'all want to be a one-world government thing, knock yourselves out.



Bunch of European countries forming a union is bad because...?



posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 05:02 PM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

A different opinion?

You said we need a referendum yet we already had one and we voted to leave.

How is that so hard to understand in a democratic society?

Do you not believe in democracy?



posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 05:03 PM
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originally posted by: XCrycek

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: XCrycek

Actually I'd like to see sovereign nations return to being sovereign nations.

But if y'all want to be a one-world government thing, knock yourselves out.



Bunch of European countries forming a union is bad because...?


I'm a firm believer in individuality. And the individuality of sovereign states.

Spent many years in UK, many years in Europe.

Just my opinion.




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