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The Liberal Democrats Want To Stop Brexit. Can Someone Help Me With This.

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posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 05:09 PM
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originally posted by: XCrycek

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: XCrycek

Actually I'd like to see sovereign nations return to being sovereign nations.

But if y'all want to be a one-world government thing, knock yourselves out.



Bunch of European countries forming a union is bad because...?


The leaders of the European Superstate are unelected bureaucrats and they do not have our best interests at heart.

It's really that simple for anyone who actually cares about our future as Europeans.
edit on 2742019 by Wide-Eyes because: Missed word




posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 05:40 PM
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originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: ScepticScot

A different opinion?

You said we need a referendum yet we already had one and we voted to leave.

How is that so hard to understand in a democratic society?

Do you not believe in democracy?


Democracy includes the right to change previous decisions.



posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 05:45 PM
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It's not "democracy" though, if you don't like the results of a vote and demand another.

It's actually more of an authoritarian state that does that.



posted on Apr, 28 2019 @ 10:21 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Then, I guess, you are deaf to my argument that EU "sovereign nations" have always changed their borders, or mixed, or split up. And that has always been done at the cost of millions of dead people. You seem not to be aware of that, or care much about that, but we, EU citizes, we care. It were our grandfathers that died in the horrible world wars, whose lungs werer burnt by mustard gas, or whom never stood a chance when they were chased out of their holes to try to take another few yards of burnt land. 6 million Jews were gased in a "sovereign nation"'s gas chambers. And all of that and more because "sovereign nation's" tried to conquer other "sovereign nations". Bah, such humbug.

The EU is a thriving economic miracle, that no one ever thought possible in my youth. It is the best thing that ever happened to our part of the world, has helped maintain peace and prosperity and has brought ALL (and yes, the UK too) more than they would ever have gotten as "sovereign nations". It is the dangerous notion of "sovereign nations" that has lead to false pride, stupid uber- and untermensch categorisations and millions of deaths. Yeah, I can see why an American would LOVE to see the EU split up in "sovereign nations" again

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posted on Apr, 28 2019 @ 11:31 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
It's not "democracy" though, if you don't like the results of a vote and demand another.

It's actually more of an authoritarian state that does that.



dear thbbft!

I can confirm the word democracy can now be printed on all types of toilet papers from budget 9-roll packs up to the expensive embossed type only presented at dinner parties throughout the uk.

the liberal democraps can just go do one on their own doorsteps and I quietly await the day of general election stink for these and other asshats in paliament to be flushed into the thames.

strategic voting is the scope hereonafter.

f.



posted on Apr, 28 2019 @ 01:59 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
It's not "democracy" though, if you don't like the results of a vote and demand another.


You HAD noticed that Ms May brought her proposal before parliament again - twice - after it was already voted down by the biggest majority in history? So, if she is free to do THAT, then why would it be unfair to have a second vote on Brexit?

Democracy is all about doubt and compromise. It's exactly because parliament is not very good at compromise (but good in doubt, I'll give them that) that things aren't exactly running smoothly



posted on Apr, 28 2019 @ 04:23 PM
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a reply to: alldaylong
Democrats are heavily supported by globalists or the New world order. Lots of money. That is why they hate Trump so much. Trump wants a strong USA and globalists want it taken down. Its simple really. That is it. We here in the USA have to fight them and the heavily influenced media and education system. Democrats support the NWO and that is what created the European Union. The ultimate goal is one world government where they will have us fighting endless wars due to the multiculturalism they pushed on us. Very much like 1984 by George Orwell. This has been planned for decades if not a century.



posted on Apr, 28 2019 @ 04:28 PM
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Laughable the hypocrisy isn't it, if not entirely abhorrent. The deal lies in the fact that an independent UK is absolutely beneficial to us here on the States. Both our economies will end up benefiting from it in the long run while understandably the UK economy will struggle a bit initially but imo is entirely worth it for sovereignty I would think. The fact is while liberals here try to appear that they aren't pushing for legitimate globalism, they are, the left has been hijacked at this point between young over educated brainwashed disassociated intersectional idealists and the corporatist establishments have figured out how to utilize the social justice movement to there advantage and finally gain real ground for globalism as the very existence of the EU is proof of this. The fact is that they don't think they can stop it they know they actually can via the manipulation of gullible idealists, utter control of the MSM, and the demonization of any who opposed this with straw man labels such as Nazi ect ect ect..... In short the radicalization of a certain subset of people that are educated, jobless, and adept at vocalizations of there views via protests, social media and a massive platform through the main steam whom are falling for the failed unrealistic utopian ideal of Marxism gives them the means to accomplish there goals. They think they are getting what they want but are really just sheep being led to slaughter, none the less those in power still have a solid chance at achieving there goals as everyone else becomes more and more fractured. You want Brexit, than unify your people so far it seems like UKIP is your best bet. Good luck, hope to see the UK become a strong brother of the US again and I'd be happy to have our economy lend you a helping hand with the struggle to come after you finally achieve the people's goal of a real Brexit.



posted on Apr, 29 2019 @ 06:49 AM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: PsychoEmperor

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: alldaylong

You had a vote.

You don't get a "re-do" just because you don't like the results.

SMH

Just leave already!


I think you might be slightly confused about how democracy works.


I believe you're the one that's confused. IF there was a second vote it should be after the first vote is honored. In America we Elected President Trump, many in the media and elite didn't believe America voted correctly. Should they have held another vote before he was sworn in? Of course not. The vote is honored, he becomes President and if we don't' like it, we vote again in 2020 to re elect him or someone else.

So the UK voted to Exit the European Union, they should honor that vote and exit. They can have a revote AFTER the first vote is honored. THAT"S how democracy works, you don't keep re-voting hoping to change the results before honoring the results of the first vote.


It's been 3 Years since the referendum.

The idea that we should still go ahead with it just because of a previous vote is fundamentally un democratic.

If the majority still want to leave we should leave, if they they don't then we shouldn't. Not really complicated.


3 years is nearly one term in office so why wouldnt we have another peoples vote , a lot has happened in that 3 year period , a lot of lies have been revealed and some hard truths drawn out !



posted on Apr, 29 2019 @ 07:25 AM
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a reply to: sapien82

It's The Politicians that have taken 3 years to sort Brexit. Not the people who voted to leave The EU.

So why should there be another vote ?



posted on Apr, 29 2019 @ 07:48 AM
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a reply to: alldaylong

because , 3 years a lot of things have happened , lies have been exposed , people change their mind on a daily basis
about their lifestyle choices, people can be wrong in their assessment of politics

so it would make logical sense to accurately judge how the electorate feel

also why wouldn't we be given the vote again , is there a rule somewhere in our politics where there is a limit to how many times we can vote on one issue , before we just abandon it and say well we tried ?



posted on Apr, 29 2019 @ 07:53 AM
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3 years is nearly one term in office so why wouldnt we have another peoples vote , a lot has happened in that 3 year period , a lot of lies have been revealed and some hard truths drawn out !


A term is 5 years. 3 years is not "nearly" 5 years.

Hey, after every General Election you could say "a lot of lies have been revealed and some hard truths drawn out !"

That is politics, you know?

"Leave means leave" we were told. That was a lie.



posted on Apr, 29 2019 @ 08:12 AM
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originally posted by: oldcarpy



3 years is nearly one term in office so why wouldnt we have another peoples vote , a lot has happened in that 3 year period , a lot of lies have been revealed and some hard truths drawn out !



"Leave means leave" we were told. That was a lie.


and that will be the boil that will fester till the rot is cut out.

don't forgive and don't forget.

I find it laughable that the metro elites, lib democraps and all agents of the european project
persist in ignoring enshrined law that the majority of the house voted for.

damn the asshats and ready the horses, i need to consult some ancient fungus.

f.



posted on Apr, 29 2019 @ 01:23 PM
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originally posted by: sapien82

because , 3 years a lot of things have happened , lies have been exposed , people change their mind on a daily basis
about their lifestyle choices, people can be wrong in their assessment of politics
so it would make logical sense to accurately judge how the electorate feel



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That would be why The Brexit Party are on course to win the European elections if latest polls are accurate. Nigel Farage's new party is 15 points ahead of the Tories, according to YouGov. The most recent poll suggests they are well in the lead with 28 per cent of the vote, with Labour in second place with 22 per cent.'





also why wouldn't we be given the vote again , is there a rule somewhere in our politics where there is a limit to how many times we can vote on one issue , before we just abandon it and say well we tried ?


To say *again* or *another* is an implication that one has already been had?

As the first hasn't been implemented yet there can be no *again* or *another*



posted on Apr, 29 2019 @ 01:30 PM
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also why wouldn't we be given the vote again , is there a rule somewhere in our politics where there is a limit to how many times we can vote on one issue , before we just abandon it and say well we tried ?


I would say it is a common known civilized rule that once an initial vote has been made, one has to wait until that vote actually is enacted and finalized before another vote may be made.

When Brexit occurs then you can seek your vote to rejoin the EU or not. Until then, have patience, you may discover Brexit is not so bad as you thought.



posted on Apr, 29 2019 @ 01:37 PM
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originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: alldaylong

because , 3 years a lot of things have happened , lies have been exposed , people change their mind on a daily basis
about their lifestyle choices, people can be wrong in their assessment of politics

so it would make logical sense to accurately judge how the electorate feel

also why wouldn't we be given the vote again , is there a rule somewhere in our politics where there is a limit to how many times we can vote on one issue , before we just abandon it and say well we tried ?



So, by your logic we should have had a referendum in 1978. That was 3 years after the people voted to stay in The EEC.

They could well have changed their minds after 3 years, don't you know.




posted on Apr, 30 2019 @ 03:51 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

it is if the people are the ones demanding another vote ! its our democracy not theirs



posted on Apr, 30 2019 @ 03:52 AM
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a reply to: alldaylong

yes exactly , 3 years a lot of things can shift politically ! if the people wanted a referendum after joining the EEC in 78 then a referendum the people should have had !



posted on Apr, 30 2019 @ 03:55 AM
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a reply to: CynConcepts

the referendum is a gauge of public opinion and not a legally binding vote such as the general election is it not ?

Ideally the government could hold a referendum on any political subject that affects the Uk on a daily basis , if they had the resources to pull it off !

we could have a referendum every week if we wanted to!



posted on Apr, 30 2019 @ 03:55 AM
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originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: DBCowboy

it is if the people are the ones demanding another vote ! its our democracy not theirs


The people have already voted. They demanded that we leave the EU. Why even bother having another one if you just ignore one that you did not like the result of?

Democracy, indeed. Can we have some, please?




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