Only college educated people should get to vote

a reply to: Lumenari

It's not basic math actually.

Can you off the top of your head calculate that more people have useless votes in Vermont than New York? Or that New York needs more electoral representation? If you even know what I'm talking about...

a reply to: strongfp

It's all about balance shifting 😎

a reply to: JAGStorm

Jim Crow Laws

"Between 1890 and 1910, ten of the eleven former Confederate states, starting with Mississippi, passed new constitutions or amendments that effectively disenfranchised most blacks and tens of thousands of poor whites through a combination of poll taxes, literacy and comprehension tests, and residency and record-keeping requirements.[14][15] Grandfather clauses temporarily permitted some illiterate whites to vote but gave no relief to most blacks."

Tests for voting rights has been shot down by the Supremes several times in many different ways.

25 years old should be minimum to vote, drink alcohol, and smoke. That would clear out the losers.

a reply to: JAGStorm

Sometimes 'college educated people' don't end up being the brightest pencil in the knife drawer...but they think they are...

I'd be pretty happy to have a basic test in place to ensure people had an idea of how the government works. Honestly, I didn't pay attention to politics for the majority of my life and when I started taking an interest a couple years back I had to go back and dig into the parties, their histories and where they want to go from here.

I didn't go to college, but I know a little bit of everything when it comes to the trades and I have an extensive history in customer service and management from the restaurant business, so property management turned out to be something I've found myself excelling in and I'm being compensated well for someone new to this business and a bit better than a majority of my friends who went to college...who are still trying to figure out what to do, in their mid-late 30's. I'm a homeowner and will be opening a side business this year to take on extra work when the opportunity arises.

I think anyone who can show they have a working knowledge in our system should be allowed to vote. I'd maybe go along with the property owners only allowance, but I know enough people with valuable opinions who are still renting, some who will never own land out of choice, who we definitely need voting.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: JAGStorm

Jim Crow Laws

"Between 1890 and 1910, ten of the eleven former Confederate states, starting with Mississippi, passed new constitutions or amendments that effectively disenfranchised most blacks and tens of thousands of poor whites through a combination of poll taxes, literacy and comprehension tests, and residency and record-keeping requirements.[14][15] Grandfather clauses temporarily permitted some illiterate whites to vote but gave no relief to most blacks."

Tests for voting rights has been shot down by the Supremes several times in many different ways.

Yeah, that was over 100 years ago. If people in America choose to not learn how to read I strongly believe that's their damn problem. I grew up dirt poor, to the point I've lived in a car several times before I was 10, never stayed in one school for more than a couple months until I was 8 or 9 and still managed to learn how to read just fine. In fact, reading was my only escape back then. The amount of kids, kids from low-income families included, who have cell phones is astounding. If you can operate a cell phone and look up YouTube videos, you can learn how to f*ckin' read. There's absolutely no excuse for not putting forth the effort to learn how to read.

My first notions of dumbing down the public came from listening to rap and hip hop music. I'm not a fan of most of it, but love some of the stuff from the late 80's and early 90's. Since then, the basic word usage and spelling in that area of music has been getting worse year after year. It's crept it's way into country music and not only destroyed the country music scene itself, but dumbed it dumb far past the point of being about dudes, their dogs and trucks. (For the record, I'm a mainly a metal/hard rock fan, but I love pretty much all music pre-1995....if it was performed by actual musicians, I dig it)

It's become popular to disregard the English language and if kids are going out of their way to NOT form actual sentences, they're certainly not going to bother trying to read them. Hell, mumble rappers go out of their to not even enunciate, never mind forming actual intelligent sentences.

As a musician and staunch believer in the 1st amendment, I'd never want to censor music, but I very much believe that a discussion needs to happen about how this is effecting the intelligence of the masses who gobble it up.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
Can we really trust uneducated people with such a responsibility?

If you take a quick look, you'll see a lot of them are actually in politics.

originally posted by: Drucifer

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: JAGStorm

Jim Crow Laws

"Between 1890 and 1910, ten of the eleven former Confederate states, starting with Mississippi, passed new constitutions or amendments that effectively disenfranchised most blacks and tens of thousands of poor whites through a combination of poll taxes, literacy and comprehension tests, and residency and record-keeping requirements.[14][15] Grandfather clauses temporarily permitted some illiterate whites to vote but gave no relief to most blacks."

Tests for voting rights has been shot down by the Supremes several times in many different ways.

Yeah, that was over 100 years ago. If people in America choose to not learn how to read I strongly believe that's their damn problem.

I was commenting on the issue the way different than the way you are responding.

Once the Supreme court makes a precedent ruling it doesn't go away. Once we have established laws you can't just simply pass law in violation of previous Supreme court ruling and expect the law will not eventually get struck down.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
Simmer down, simmer down.

I don't really think that is a good thing. I do think it would be interesting to make citizens pass
a basic US government test before voting.

How many uneducated voters are there? Do you think literacy would change the outcome of elections?
I've know so many people on both sides of the voting fence just go in and vote straight Republican or Democrat without
even know who they are voting for. I see this on a local level where I live. This isn't just about poor young people, a lot of this
can be said for elderly too.
Can we really trust uneducated people with such a responsibility?

Some of these same questions come up regarding felons and their voting rights, or lack thereof.
Why? They don't make good decisions, have low morals, are uneducated etc...

Who is in charge of the threshold of passing? Current dems who'd sale their first born for socialism? Or Repubsl, whod cast the poor into oblivion?

Can you #tards not realize there are no winners under dems or repubs?

Doesn't anyone think it would be wiser to screen the bloody pathological politicians?
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Human candidates, instead of having to choose between disconnected billionaires?

a reply to: JAGStorm

The founders didn't want you to vote. They wanted a select few to vote. Judging by the trajectory this country has taken since that ideal was left in the dust bin, they may have been right. Originally it was only property owners who could vote. I'd love to go back to that, but we can't unopen pandora's box.

originally posted by: strongfp

Can you off the top of your head calculate that more people have useless votes in Vermont than New York? Or that New York needs more electoral representation? If you even know what I'm talking about...

So why should NY or CA have more electoral representation?

a reply to: JAGStorm

An educated voter, and a politically ignorant voter is not the same thing. One is not superior than the other, but one sure is a lot more informed. When I go to a mechanic, I want someone that knows what they are doing. Why is it wrong to expect that same responsibility out of our voting base? I think my conclusion is a fair one. Political ignorance hinders people. They may believe they are voting for one thing but it actually translates into something else. I think we've seen this time and time again with the Democratic party.

Youre NOT talking about an educated voter. Like i have said before, education is good!.
No, you are talking about taking the right to vote away from the ignorant voter, as you call it.

Youre voting responsibility isnt the same as fixing a car, it is the same as choosing a mechanic to fix a car.

How are you gonna make a test that determines which ideas are good and which people that are then allowed to vote?

Did Obama come up with some good ideas doing election? Yes he did - Did he lie about it all and did the exact opposite of what he promised? yes he did.

Wouldnt it be better, that the "mechanic" choosen to repair the car, was hold responsible, when he f it all up?

In North Korea, the smartest man is supposedly their dear leader, Kim Jong Ill. We know it is all propaganda, but if you start telling people which ideas are smart enough to be believed, and give voting rights based on that. You get to choose who is gonna be youre dear leader, cause the opponents ideas are stupid, right?

I get where you coming from, we hear some crazy ideas coming out the mouth of some politicans (mechanics) at the moment. It is crazy!
But it is not the voters who need a test, why dont you give the "mechanic" a test, before they are allowed to run for public service instead? afterall, it is them that is supposed to fix the car, not the voters

a reply to: Lumenari

~sigh~
The test is already there.
It is the basic civics exam used by our government that immigrants must pass to become citizens.
My new pet name for you is Captain Conflation.
I'm thinking of a simple 1+1 solution and you are screaming "apricot!!!"
/facepalm

Thank you for your kind words. If you cant win an argument, you can allways ridicule, right?

I do think it is funny, that you believe a simple test for voters, will keep any politican from lying and cheating the people. If people are dumb as you say, there is no reason to take a look at the education system, or anything like that right.
No, all we need is a test, and KAZAM, now no bad politcan will ever be elected again....

What exactly do you think youre gonna chance, by giving a vote every 4 years?
Do you really need to be an Einstein to figure out how to vote?

What about giving youre elected officias a test? what about holding them responsible for the stuff they do? they are the ones who makes the importen votes, those that actually goes into law.

What do you plan to do with those people who are now not allowed to vote, in this new utopian paradise of yours? You think they are gonna be mad?

How about land owners only, like it used to be? People should hold an actual stake in the economy to have the privilege to vote. Allowing "useless eaters" to vote encourages vote buying with promises of free stuff amd welfare.

a reply to: NoFearsEqualsFreeMan

Commenting along similar lines... You are correct. Where are the tests for the politicians? Basic governmental competency, or the much cherished “random drug testing”. The absurdity of implying that a college or university education contributes to good men and women of moral character and intelligence in this day and age is laughable. (Good try though, OP.)

a reply to: JAGStorm

That would depend on what college and the curriculum,I would say majority of colleges that have social degrees,should be exempt,as they teach them nothing

If you are found mentally incompetent to own a firearm undrer, then I don’t think you have the mental competent to vote. I could even see if you are on the dole not getting to vote. But the college thing is right out stupid and pretentious.

Would that include degrees from religious based colleges? What about trade schools, or should serving in the military be the real gateway for a voting citizen?