Mayor De Blasio Announces Health Care For All NYC Residents

originally posted by: lakenheath24
Plenty of old peeps have to sell their homes to afford end of life care

there was a £21000 cut off point in the days I was in the game. Social service put a legal charge on the property but the family kept 21 grand for inheritance. I imagine it is the same today. My old mum is fearing social care, but I won't cry if my inheritance is less because she needed it.

a reply to: DanDanDat

For the most part I would argue that it comes down to the diaspora of American culture. We got in early and managed to get a stanglehold on most forms of entertainment. It also doesn't hurt that the largest companies in the world are headquartered in the US. But does that really say anything about the US' superiority over other countries?

It also doesn't hurt that we're the third most populous country in the world.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: DBCowboy

Right because every other highly developed nation that has adopted healthcare has been turned into a third world nation because of it.

If you have universal healthcare then you dont need to buy health insurance. That money will go to taxes to pay for the healthcare.

It'll be interesting to see.

But I still don't approve of something that I am mandated to pay into (with my taxes).

Healthcare is not a right.

It is a service.

a reply to: DanDanDat

Glad to see it.

Letting these idiots have enough rope to hang themselves with is absolutely necessary. These idiots being in power and their proven failed policies will hasten their collapse.

Looking forward to waking up in a country without a "democratic" party (AKA mob rule)

Let them have the coastal dump holes: illegals, high crime, homelessness and drug problems included. That way, they can stop leeching off the rest of us. Let those who virtue signal their virtuous virtues pick up the tab - they're the only ones who give a crap to begin with.

Another failed State. Which is precisely why dissolution is a viable end result. Intelligent and loyal patriots shouldn't have to pay even a dime for these failed unwanted socialist social BS.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Dont cherry pick my post. I could post a thousand articles critical of the NHS. It ain't the gold standard. MRSA anyone?

There is good and bad to both, b honest in your assessment.

a reply to: ketsuko

To be fair, I would say Canada's healthcare system is only marginally better than the US. The WHO rankings agree with that assessment. But at the end of the day it is still better.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: lakenheath24

That's why I feel like the US could easily convert to the Dutch model. The only major difference between what we have now and what they have in the Netherlands is that health insurance, for the most part, is a non-profit industry. They can charge extra if you want a plan that covers voluntary procedures or guarantees you a private room. Outside that though, plans must be priced at cost.

The problem is the US isn't a nordic / dutch country. We have 350 million people, unchecked immigration, and the population is far more diverse. The US also has an obscene military budget that drains a lot of capital that is used to protect a lot of these countries that are supposedly so much better.

Universal healthcare can work in smaller populations with minimal diversity and limited immigration. With that said, much of the healthcare innovation comes from the US because there is a profit motive.

For routine care, I am sure universal healthcare appears great. However, when the SHTF with your health and you actually want to live at any cost, I think the US is where you want to be.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Xcalibur254
If their health care is so much better, why do so many come across the border to get immediate treatment when they're ill instead of waiting in line in Canada?
The problem with the Canadian system isn't that it can't handle treating you, just that it's like the VA, you might die on the waiting list.

Why do they tell you that you can't have nice things by trotting out such canards? If I'm not mistaken, you are in the insurance industry so that answer is self evident.
But there is a whole industry devoted to telling Americans why the Canadian system is ineffective and morally wrong...godless commies and all that. And so many Americans suck it up.
And yet, you can't find Canadian users that wanna swap with you. Think maybe you're being played?
Oh, and you want a real beer, try...

Yet there are still some folks here that actually believe healthcare is a right vs. a commercial service. Amazing, truly.

I challenge any of them to show me where in the Constitution/BOR healthcare is enumerated as an unalienable right. They can't because it isn't.

Like it or not, healthcare is a business and like every business they operate for profit

You do not have a right to healthcare. You do not have a right to survival - ie: the government can't deprive of your right to life, but it isn't required to facilitate that right any more than its required to issue firearms in accordance with 2A.

Meanwhile, all the bleeding hearts signalling their virtues RE: healthcare completely ignore the mass infanticide occurring against unborn babies by their own mothers.

Damn killers.

And contrary to what socialists say, you aren't owed something simply for existing.

a reply to: lakenheath24

Pro brewer here. So I'm sipping on my West Coast style IPA right now. Just brewed my second batch of Resilience IPA today, which is a collab with Sierra Nevada to raise funds for victims of the Camp Fire.

I know my friends at Adroit Theory distribute across the pond. If you ever see any of their stuff give it a try. Hazy IPAs and Barrel Aged Imperial Stouts.

a reply to: Edumakated

I wouldn't be opposed to universal healthcare being implemented on a state level. Let's be honest. Just like every country in the EU is different and needs a different healthcare model; every state is different a needs a different model.

The problem with that though is, what happens if you're out of state and need to go to the hospital?

a reply to: JBurns

So you would be good with free healthcare for pregnant women?


I consider myself conservative, but also a Christian which presents a conundrum for me. Yes...peeps need to work for what they get, but damn, we gonna turn a blind eye to our bro's and sis' out there trying to make it in this world? Not every poor person is a degenerate. How many peeps would have been helped by bailing them out vs Lehman Bros?

It's a failure to apply resources to the right places. IMO of course.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Edumakated

I wouldn't be opposed to universal healthcare being implemented on a state level. Let's be honest. Just like every country in the EU is different and needs a different healthcare model; every state is different a needs a different model.

The problem with that though is, what happens if you're out of state and need to go to the hospital?

I have an Ontario health card, which I can flash in other provinces and it will be accepted...far as I know, anyway. Mind you, universal health care is federally mandated.

a reply to: JBurns

Do you not see any issue with the current system? The US is the only First World country where for profit health insurance is the primary way to pay for healthcare. We also have the most expensive healthcare system in the world. I know correlation does not imply causation but how can you look at those two facts and not go, "Hmm?"

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Hells yea I get Sierra Nevada on the base here at Lakenheath. It's a box with 12 experimental hops. Christ, the carbon tax on my farts would fund healthcare in all of Ohio. Break it down to states could be an idea. Things on the federal level seem to add 500000% to the cost. Lobbyists aint cheap ya know.

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

Ideally that's how it would work in the US. Yet we can look at something like Medicaid, a program that is partially funded on the Federal level but is primarily controlled at the State level. There's a lot of cases where benefits do not transfer across state lines.

So if a semi-Federal health program like Medicaid doesn't necessarily mean you're covered out of state, what are the odds that fully state funded program would work?

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Edumakated

I wouldn't be opposed to universal healthcare being implemented on a state level. Let's be honest. Just like every country in the EU is different and needs a different healthcare model; every state is different a needs a different model.

The problem with that though is, what happens if you're out of state and need to go to the hospital?

I don't oppose it. That is the way it is supposed to work. At the state level. The feds do too much (education, housing, welfare, etc). All that stuff is supposed to be done at the state level. The state governments have abdicated their responsibilities in order to suck at the govt teet.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: JBurns

Do you not see any issue with the current system? The US is the only First World country where for profit health insurance is the primary way to pay for healthcare. We also have the most expensive healthcare system in the world. I know correlation does not imply causation but how can you look at those two facts and not go, "Hmm?"

Cost are out of control primarily because government is so involved from a regulatory standpoint. They'v created insurance monopolies and oligopolies at the state level limiting competition among states. In addition, policies going back to WWII have tied health insurance to employers. Not too mention forcing minimal insurance coverage (i.e., men paying for pregnancy coverage or drug/alcohol) and making cheaper catastrophic plans too expensive or even illegal.

US Healthcare is far from a free market.

The quickest way to lower costs is to promote competition among insurers, hospitals, and doctors for routine care.

Health insurance is really no different from homeowners or car insurance.

a reply to: Edumakated

Really? Try living in Florida where the property insurance companies play every dirty trick to not pay out....or get your insurance cancelled. Dumbest statement ever.

originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

Why do so many Canadians come to the US for treatment?

because they don't want to wait years to get their health issues dealt with. it can take over a year just to get an appointment with a specialist, to find your problem. that is once they stop just prescribing pain meds to see if that works for a few years. or they don't want to wait years for things like needed hip replacement surgery. some of them probably can't even find a GP to enable them to use any but emergency medical care. since there is a shortage of doctors allowed by the government to take in more patients. for others it might be because the price of things like physiotherapy or to see a psychologist might be cheaper in the US, since it is not covered at all in most cases.