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Mayor De Blasio Announces Health Care For All NYC Residents

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posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 03:13 PM
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a reply to: Edumakated

Yes and no. There's one key difference. Cars and homes have an intrinsic value. Human life doesn't.




posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 03:15 PM
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originally posted by: lakenheath24
a reply to: Edumakated

Really? Try living in Florida where the property insurance companies play every dirty trick to not pay out....or get your insurance cancelled. Dumbest statement ever.


Gee, if you are an insurance company would you want to insure homes in a hurricane belt that get destroyed/razed every 10 years?

Insurance is a financial product. Yes, they want to limit their exposure to fraud and multiple claims. I am not saying they are angels or some aren't shady, but my point stands.



posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 03:21 PM
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So how long will it take American people to eat their own...... Where's that annoying tick tock q clock xenchen kept posting while back it's relevant again...



posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 03:22 PM
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a reply to: Edumakated

Gee, except Insurance companies get tons of government subsidies when a disaster is declared. So not the same....ever. Point FAIL.



posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 03:27 PM
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originally posted by: generik

originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

Why do so many Canadians come to the US for treatment?



because they don't want to wait years to get their health issues dealt with. it can take over a year just to get an appointment with a specialist, to find your problem. that is once they stop just prescribing pain meds to see if that works for a few years. or they don't want to wait years for things like needed hip replacement surgery. some of them probably can't even find a GP to enable them to use any but emergency medical care. since there is a shortage of doctors allowed by the government to take in more patients. for others it might be because the price of things like physiotherapy or to see a psychologist might be cheaper in the US, since it is not covered at all in most cases.

And you live where?



posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 03:33 PM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254

Ever heard of the might of the Canadian Military? Neither have any of us because the good old USA protects them. If Canada had to create a military to rival ours---that healthcare is gone baby gone. So if you feel sorry for Americans---maybe its because you know you owe your existence to our status as a superpower.

I think the USA needs to collect on its vig



posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 03:35 PM
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When it comes to healthcare, our diversity works against us because it means our population has a much wider range of medical issues that need treatment than, say, Denmark, which has a mostly-homogeneous population (87% Danish).



posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 03:41 PM
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a reply to: lakenheath24

I'm "OK" with healthcare for everybody as far as that goes, although it is never truly "free." My only problem is those who believe they are owed medical care or other life sustaining assistance simply for existing. But you are right, it is a tough situation. From an ideological perspective, I am against forcing others to do just about anything that doesn't hurt someone else. But from a realistic perspective, I too am unable to turn a blind eye to such things

It really is a bad choice. One way, you are forcing others (basically at gun point) to pony up money and fund healthcare. On the other hand, by doing nothing, X number of people will die or suffer needlessly

We gotta do what we gotta do to take care of our fellow Americans (and sure, foreign aid included). I just have to take an ideological stand against the core concept of funding such a program through force (or threat of State violence) but again I am with you that we shouldn't leave folks hanging in the wind

Especially because those same individuals are far more likely to suffer from drug addictions or even turn to criminal activity to finance existing

Thought provoking post!



posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 03:42 PM
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originally posted by: atlantiswatusi
a reply to: Xcalibur254

Ever heard of the might of the Canadian Military? Neither have any of us because the good old USA protects them. If Canada had to create a military to rival ours---that healthcare is gone baby gone. So if you feel sorry for Americans---maybe its because you know you owe your existence to our status as a superpower.

I think the USA needs to collect on its vig

It's also thanks to US military might that Europe is only just now (in 2019) getting around to developing a credible defense force to keep Russia at bay.

For that matter, you can also thank the US medical system for most of the drugs that people have available. It costs a fortune to develop new drugs. A drug might (hypothetical example) cost $100 per pill because the pharma company spent millions of dollars developing and testing it over a period of several years. Also, most drugs that are tested do not make it to market, which means that cost must be absorbed by the drugs that are approved. Countries like Britain can afford to sell that same pill for a penny because they've essentially stolen it and are not incurring any of the cost of development. Much like the UN, pharmaceutical development is heavily subsidized by the United States.
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posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 03:47 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: IAMTAT
I had a (very) tiny 1 BR apt. on E.25th. street between 2nd. & 3rd. ave in Manhattan...


Close to Bellevue, convenient.


Definitely.
...And well within stalking distance of hookers, homeless & winos.



posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 03:48 PM
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originally posted by: IAMTAT
Definitely.
...And well within stalking distance of hookers, homeless & winos.


Which as we all know is the important part of any food pyramid.



posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 03:52 PM
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originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: generik

originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

Why do so many Canadians come to the US for treatment?



because they don't want to wait years to get their health issues dealt with. it can take over a year just to get an appointment with a specialist, to find your problem. that is once they stop just prescribing pain meds to see if that works for a few years. or they don't want to wait years for things like needed hip replacement surgery. some of them probably can't even find a GP to enable them to use any but emergency medical care. since there is a shortage of doctors allowed by the government to take in more patients. for others it might be because the price of things like physiotherapy or to see a psychologist might be cheaper in the US, since it is not covered at all in most cases.

And you live where?


well until i ended up leaving the country, due in a big part to get the medical care i was having problems getting it was OHIP country. and i have far too many friends and relatives that have been suffering for years thanks to the breaking healthcare system. i even have friends who were in the medical professions that lost their jobs due to cutbacks in medical care. as they were cutting things because the medical system could not afford to cover them anymore. and it personally took over a year for the government dr find program to even find me a GP, that in the end was useless (probably why they were able to actually accept new patients). my mother almost died an hour after being released from the hospital because she was "fine". and almost always had problems in the hospitals there. she found the hospitals in the US much better for quality of care and competence. at one time the healthcare system was great, then it seems they have started to run out of other people's money.



posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 04:02 PM
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originally posted by: atlantiswatusi
a reply to: Xcalibur254
Ever heard of the might of the Canadian Military? Neither have any of us because the good old USA protects them. If Canada had to create a military to rival ours---that healthcare is gone baby gone. So if you feel sorry for Americans---maybe its because you know you owe your existence to our status as a superpower.
I think the USA needs to collect on its vig

Thanks. eh?



posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 04:08 PM
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originally posted by: atlantiswatusi
a reply to: Xcalibur254

Ever heard of the might of the Canadian Military? Neither have any of us because the good old USA protects them. If Canada had to create a military to rival ours---that healthcare is gone baby gone. So if you feel sorry for Americans---maybe its because you know you owe your existence to our status as a superpower.

I think the USA needs to collect on its vig




Can you show us where the American military has had to defend it borders to justify having no healthcare for citizens?



posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 04:08 PM
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a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

Ummmm. Pal that crap is subsidized by you and I ...and then we pay out the wazoo for it afterwards. Dumber than hell ain't it?



posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 04:12 PM
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a reply to: JBurns

Hell no man. Nothing is free. I am positive we could find a solution that is both palatable to all while being affordable. I mean look at the taxpayer subsidies big pharma gets as is. We pay twice.



posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 04:16 PM
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a reply to: strongfp




If you have universal healthcare then you dont need to buy health insurance. That money will go to taxes to pay for the healthcare.


I would love for this to work as I do believe our healthcare is embarrassing for a Nation calling itself a world leader and seen it financially and mentally destroy numerous productive families first hand .

However, I see no way for this to work unless he actually gets rid of the conflict of interest in the group of people responsible for implementing this and making the decisions . If not , it will surely be bastardize like obamcare was and all other attempts by the left and the right and only the Insurance and medical oligopolies come out winning at the expense of the middle class tax payers.

Is their any more details on the plan and does it involve insurance companies at all? if so then I have no hope for it.

It makes no sense to give gov't more money or power if they are riddled with conflict of interest or to expect an actually working solution from them.

I hope I'm wrong and he succeeds but I don't have high hopes as this being anything else but politics?

What about people that don't live there now but got cancer like my neighbor can they move their and get free treatment? lots of uphill issues they will have to face. Not to mention insurance companies actively helping it to fail if they aren't involved , and if they are involved then it already failed.



posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 04:24 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: atlantiswatusi
a reply to: Xcalibur254

Ever heard of the might of the Canadian Military? Neither have any of us because the good old USA protects them. If Canada had to create a military to rival ours---that healthcare is gone baby gone. So if you feel sorry for Americans---maybe its because you know you owe your existence to our status as a superpower.

I think the USA needs to collect on its vig





Can you show us where the American military has had to defend it borders to justify having no healthcare for citizens?





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posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 05:14 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: atlantiswatusi
a reply to: Xcalibur254
Ever heard of the might of the Canadian Military? Neither have any of us because the good old USA protects them. If Canada had to create a military to rival ours---that healthcare is gone baby gone. So if you feel sorry for Americans---maybe its because you know you owe your existence to our status as a superpower.
I think the USA needs to collect on its vig

Can you show us where the American military has had to defend it borders to justify having no healthcare for citizens?
Indeed. I would call this a totally false equivalency because the US military industrial complex operates way out of proportion to national security needs. It is a manner of enriching a very select group by making the public pay to wreck other countries, and then pay to fix them again. I note that when Iraq was put back together (sic), that process included Universal Health Care. Meanwhile, there are all kinds of apologists for the status quo who go through contortions explaining why the richest country in the world can't have nice things, too. It would almost be amusing, if it did not affect our US cousins in so mean a fashion.
Demand better!
edit on 8-1-2019 by JohnnyCanuck because: spelling matters, eh?



posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 06:08 PM
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The real shame is that the US healthcare system did not begin as a human right. if it had, there would no dispute.

Now, 100 yrs later, it's an unfathomly large economy with it's tendrils of influence throughout US government.

It's a juggernaut.. can't be stopped, they will get come out on top.

Folks on here denigrating ideas/policy literally designed to save peoples lives also leads me to believe they don't care if people die due to lack of care or not.

sad news





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