President Trump Says He May Declare a National Emergency to Get The US-Mex Border Wall Built.

Trump is really trying hard to protect Americans.

While the democratic model is that it's ok if a few citizens are killed if you help thousands of others

originally posted by: Bloodworth
Trump is really trying hard to protect Americans.

While the democratic model is that it's ok if a few citizens are killed if you help thousands of others

While the right thinks it's OK if hundreds are killed by gun attacks, because it's not that many people really, all things considered. Sound familiar? hmm..

Good, don't talk about it be about it. We've been allowing these invaders free entry for years under all the former corrupt administrations. No Mas!

a reply to: okrian

The hard right is pushing him just as much as the hard left is obstructing him, it's a precarious political situation America has devolved into.

originally posted by: abe froman
a reply to: okrian

As a Democrat you should remember that Obama set the precedent when he used executive orders like royal decrees.

You guys were all about letting a Democrat president have all the power without considering what would happen when someone else took the reigns.

Short sighted fuzzy thinking at it's finest.

This is the bed Democrats made.

Too late to whine about it now.

From 2017

www.businessinsider.com...

From 2018

www.google.com...

All data points to Trump signing about the same or even slightly more than Obama.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: Masterjaden
a reply to: Sookiechacha

That's the most idiotic piece of tripe I've seen.

Or constitution calls for military to be used to protect our border much more than it does to fight wars half way across the world.

He absolutely should declare a national emergency. It has been a national emergency for decades now and no one has done Jack about it. Enough is enough, it's time to do something about it.

Jaden

We are not a war with Mexico, like Israel is with Palestine.

A wall simply is not the answer the answer to the refugee crisis at the southern border. It's inhumane, immoral, terrible for the environment, expensive to build and even more expensive to maintain, It's ineffective, as people can still go over, under or around a wall.

Trump doesn't even have a plan, know exactly where the wall will go, filed for eminent domain from American property owners, have a wall design or any environmental impact statements, because he doesn't have a wall design yet!

This whole thing is a national farce, the president's petulant demands, the government shut down, the American people being held hostage, the filth, the economic ramification, the airports at risk, and TSA agents not being paid and calling in sick by the hundreds, airport controllers not being paid.

so the wall is mean to those who would cross illegally? And you aren't for open borders? You are one severely confused lady. therapy may help, it may not.

a reply to: network dude


Not having an archaic and ineffective wall on the southern border doesn't mean the US has an "open border" policy. There is no wall and no plan for a wall on the northern border, and nobody is saying that the US has an "open border" policy on the northern border.

I'm not confused by US border and imigration policy today, I wasn't confused yesterday and won't be confused tomorrow. Nothing has changed as far as US border and immigration policy is concerned, except Trump's constant efforts to bypass Congress and US law.

I'm all for this. Let's get it built. It'll save lives and protect our citizens.

a reply to: TheRedneck

We all notice just fine and ken the people responsible for our way of life and level of existence.

And yet cannot seem to present an alternative or solution to defeat or remove the vermin from the power behind the curtain.

Nor are we able to even begin to perceive or address the real bastards responsible for the socio-economic predicament of the whole planet.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: TheRedneck

We all notice just fine and ken the people responsible for our way of life and level of existence.

And yet cannot seem to present an alternative or solution to defeat or remove the vermin from the power behind the curtain.

Nor are we able to even begin to perceive or address the real bastards responsible for the socio-economic predicament of the whole planet.

There's a good reason for that..

Here's a teaser.. Most of use toilet paper to wipe our butts with, however if you consider that if you fell over and got poo on your face you wouldn't go get toilet paper to smear that poo around your face with a dry scrappy bit of toilet paper, you would use water and soap to wash it off right? Somehow we've all been hoodwinked into buying toilet paper Even though it's obviously not the best option, it's like a mass psychosis..

It's literally the Jade Helm this site was up in arms over a few years ago, complete with imminent domain seizures of private property along the border in Texas.


The stupid is the gift that keeps on giving 24/7.

originally posted by: 0zzymand0s
It's literally the Jade Helm this site was up in arms over a few years ago, complete with imminent domain seizures of private property along the border in Texas.


The stupid is the gift that keeps on giving 24/7.

It's great isn't it, we now have people saying property seizures are a good idea in the name of security, it's almost mind numbing..

@andy06shake

A civil war that the delta on the left have absolutely no chance of winning. You fools would be absolutely crushed.

Stop all food and fuel shipments to the cities and they'd be eating each other in 2 weeks.

Leftist strongholds would fall like dominoes. We wouldn't even have to go in as you guys would start hanging your own leaders in weeks and suing for peace.

The best time to kick it off so it ends quickly would be in December/January. Do it then and half you guys would freeze to death before you could even dig out your bong launchers and semi auto Dildos.

originally posted by: Bhadhidar
a reply to: TheRedneck

“We have the means to prevent murders from those coming into the country illegally by not letting them come into the country illegally. We do not have that capability for US citizens.”

Is that really the basis of the argument you want to support? Are you sure?

Let’s use that logic:

We have the means to prevent the murder of innocent Americans, by their fellow citizens, due to gun violence, by outlawing the private owner ship of guns and confiscating all privately held guns, as an imminent threat to national security under the auspices of a National Emergency.

(Please note that I DO NOT support such a measure; I think it would be stupid, unconstitutional, and wholly ineffective)

Thus we could prevent those gun-related death by the simple fact that there are no guns available to commit murders with.

Yeah, that’ll work.

Just as a large portion of the illegal immigration problem stems not from our southern border, but from our major airports; the result of “visitors” and “students” overstaying their visas. (Weren’t the perpetrators of the 9/11 attack here on visas? I don’t remember hearing anything about any of them hiking illegally into the US from Mexico)

And, even if we concede that such a draconian measure wouldn’t prevent All murders (perhaps not even all gun-based mutders) from occurring, should we therefore not make the attempt to prevent even the few deaths we could?

As you argued, do their deaths mean less because they are merely the few?

The same could be applied to deaths resulting from opioid addiction. Americans dying at the hands of other Americans (their suppliers), and in far greater numbers, each year (per the NIH), than have died at the hands of illegal immigrants in a quarter century.

We could prevent those needless deaths by tougher control of the pharmaceutical companies producing and distributing those drugs by the tons, but a wall/fence is more urgent?

So, it seems we DO have the “capability “ to actually prevent the needless deaths of Americans by other Americans, by methods arguably as effective (or ineffective) as this storied “wall”, but we simply refuse to implement those methods, for a variety of arguably valid (or invalid) reasons.

What else you got?

Usually before "what else you got" a coherent and logical argument is made. Declaring a National emergency isn't grounds for stripping constitutional rights.

@Bhadihar

Fair enough.

If the new immigrants can also be subjected to the same life as those immigrants I'll agree with you.

-Death and rape at the hands of marauding packs of natives.

-worked to death in factories and mines.

-No benefits, no healthcare, no schooling and absolutely no social safety net of any sort.

-The will also have to be infected with cholera and dysentary.

-conscription into the military at any time that the military seems it necessary.

-be prey for roving bands of criminals and cutthroats.

-no representation. If caught committing a crime you will be subjected to a show trial and either shot, hung or sent to the pen to do hard labour.

Meet those conditions and I will agree that immigrants should have the same access as the ones back in the day.

Fair?

a reply to: Carcharadon

That may be but tell it to one of our American cousins.

I'm all safe and snug across the pond, our main concern being Brexit right now not stupid nonsensical walls, nor hollow promises from senile politicians intend on national self-destruction. We have our own brand of bull crap to contend with. LoL

It's a stupid scenario which could have some rather far-reaching repercussions, that's a given.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

I would suggest the likes of ISIS, North Korea, and a right good few spurious others, are laughing their arses off right now at the prospect of the big boy on the block attempting to emulate the fall of Rome, but the fact of the matter is that both our respective nations had a hand in the creation and armament of those bastards also.

The world is sick, blind, deaf, and stupid all at the same time, it has to be else the dirty swine simply could not get away with the carp they have us swallow.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

I would suggest the likes of ISIS, North Korea, and a right good few spurious others, are laughing their arses off right now at the prospect of the big boy on the block attempting to emulate the fall of Rome

It wouldn't even surprise me if they had a hand in trying to make that a reality

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Carcharadon

That may be but tell it to one of our American cousins.

I'm all safe and snug across the pond, our main concern being Brexit right now not stupid nonsensical walls, nor hollow promises from senile politicians intend on national self-destruction. We have our own brand of bull crap to contend with. LoL

It's a stupid scenario which could have some rather far-reaching repercussions, that's a given.

Ah sorry about that I didn't realize that you were a Kneeler. Thought you were American.

If you don't want responses about civil war comments then don't make them.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

But we have declared war on drugs.... Just saying...

As a Brazilian suffering from mass illegal immigration from Venezuela and other neighbor countries, I'm having a hard time in understanding why you people does not want your borders secure.

Are you freakin nuts or what!

Gosh... Take your blinders off.