No one is covering this. Protest break out in UK. People have had enough

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There is very understandable revulsion at Asian Muslim grooming gangs taking advantage of vulnerable impressionable girls and prostituting them. Years of unexcusable inaction by social services and police has, at last, resulted in some of these perpetrators being prosecuted in the courts. Three such cases are taking pkace at the moment. Tommy Robinson was doing a live to Facebook commentary outside one of the courts, filming defendants arriving for trial, when he was arrested for breach of an earlier court order. He knew what he was doing was a risk.
By and large, urban communities in Britain get along quite well with black and ethnic minorities. Those from India are hard working, polite, strongly family oriented and strive for educational and economic success. The Sikh community especially has won respect for their commitment to good works. However, subjectively, I feel less tolerance towards the Pakistani community, who are predominantly Muslim, because they seem to prefer not to integrate and their cultural values are such that they have little respect for the freedom exhibited by British women and consider them easy meat.
It’s wrong to generalise, I know, and there are good people in the Muslim community but it’s still the case that there is a real problem of acculturation.

a reply to: drewlander

originally posted by: carabao

originally posted by: Fools

THis is on Downing Street. In the US, that would be similar to protest at the White House. Know why? Because everyone loves the government. Everyone trusts the government.

I wish these people well, but in England I am sure their anger will just mean serious jail time.

Those are nazis, and they need to be stomped to the ground.
My grandfather fought those bastards, and he would turn in his grave if he saw anyone in great Britain dare call that vile scum patriots.

I guess your not big on journalists revealing the pedophile scum that are forcing and manipulating young girls into the sex trade. Also, I guess you were there interviewing each person to know that they are Nazis.....whatever

a reply to: carabao

Those are nazis, and they need to be stomped to the ground. My grandfather fought those bastards, and he would turn in his grave if he saw anyone in great Britain dare call that vile scum patriots.

I watched the second video I didn't see Nazi earmarks like Nazi flags or them shouting Nazi slogans.
They are shouting about Tommy.

I have seen neo-Nazi protests and marches, this does not look like one at all, be careful who you label, unless you just have a deceitful agenda on ATS...then carry on. But ATS members seems to know whats up with this protest, so you are wasting your time.

More info about the original court order...

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a reply to: Fools

a reply to: strongfp

No. No!

Screw you! You cannot sit there on some high horse and claim girls are not being molested. I'm not even right wing but you simply cannot defend practices that violate young girls/women and use that as a way to attack those on the political right.

Come on man! We want equality for all - and that means young girls should not be molested by gangs of men. I don't care if they're British football hooligans or Muslims - this SHOULD not be happening!

Stop trying to change the goal posts. I don't even like Tommy Robinson - I think he's a thug, but he's a thug who may have changed his ways - he is at least trying to remove rape from the equation for young girls.

I just don't get it - I'm left wing and still don't get why other on the left want to defend this kind of barbarity against women...how long has it been since #metoo came to the fore? For crying out loud!

originally posted by: comfortablynumb
a reply to: strongfp

Stop trying to change the goal posts. I don't even like Tommy Robinson - I think he's a thug, but he's a thug who may have changed his ways - he is at least trying to remove rape from the equation for young girls.

I just don't get it - I'm left wing and still don't get why other on the left want to defend this kind of barbarity against women...how long has it been since #metoo came to the fore? For crying out loud!

It's really really simple, no one is defending paedophiles.

People are either saying Tommy Robinson is no good or that the police are no good for arresting him,
I've not seen one post on the entire internet defending the accused.

Also you have to understand, they at this point are only accused.

Tommy Robinson has done nothing to catch them, that was the police.

Tommy Robinson broke the terms of his Suspended sentence.

The rest all dick waving.

a reply to: Taggart

It's simple, is it? Thanks for trying to patronise me. Also, if it's so simple, then you can tell the families of the rape victims of the 'simpleness' of it all. I bet they're be uber happy to hear your consoling words. You really want to say dick waving in a thread about rape of young girls? Cool.

It must be nice to live in your 'simple' world - and just so you know, not defending them is akin to supporting them.

AND, for your information, I was actually saying both: Tommy Robinson isn't all that great AND the police arresting him on this occasion ALSO isn't so great. From what I have heard, they had been found guilty and the case was at the sentencing stage, and so what kind of influence can Tommy Robinson have on a judge? He was (what's your word again?) simply telling his online followers what's going on and sharing an opinion that they would (no doubt) already all agree with.

Maybe read this article. In particular this:

Australian Imam Tawhidi (Imam of peace) says on Twitter: “We all have different opinions on Tommy Robinson. But what hurts my eyes the most is seeing the left celebrating his arrest, rather than condemning the MSM for purposely ignoring a case involving a rape gang that has sexually assaulted nearly 100 women, some as young as 11.”

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Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Lennon, had claimed that verdicts were due on Friday but court officials confirmed that the trial of nine defendants is ongoing.
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The trial was ongoing, court records show this - Tommy was reporting false info, no idea where he got it from. He could have visited the court website (which contained the list of reporting restrictions he broke), asked the AG or IJ made a request in person at the court.

If had been verdict day there'd have been 100+ journalists there, all nationals, and around 60% of local press via Johnson Press ownership are covering the case from inside the court.

Alternative US journalist Kerry Cassidy says in a Facebook post of her Camelot group that a D Notice or D Notices have been issued, I understand to prevent the mainstream press reporting. (Whether about Robinson's original filming or about the protests or both, I'm not sure).

I'm not sure if Kerry Cassidy's source was Alex Jones or another source, but she linked to a livestream video by Alex Jones. (One hour video which I haven't watched all of).

What is clear is that it's illegal to film people involved in a court case going into court. (A strange British law, but there you are.)

I suppose a D Notice may apply to media outlets who try to report, showing the video, but might also be a blanket ban on reporting the facts of Robinson's filming. There might further be bans upon reporting the protests, maybe because of the original offence (or claimed because of the original offence)?

I've seen a short video of Robinson before he took the court exterior videos, where he clearly acknowledges awareness he will be breaking the law in recording. (One person I saw posed that this meant Robinson was involved in a publicity stunt, therefore. I'm sure Robinson would admit that it was of course about publicity for a cause. If he gets a jail sentence, I wonder if he'll think it was worthwhile.)

Whether or not you think Robinson or the protesters are Nazis or upholders of naturally expected civil liberties or somewhere in between, there might be a case to consider some legitimacy of Robinson's act.

At the end of the day, though, people going to court to be judged by the rule of law ought to have the right to expect not to be harassed in the process, whatever they have done. It's about the sanctity of law most importantly distinguished from what can be or become some kind of mob rule. In British law (unlike some places such as France) all are considered innocent unless proven guilty, and even anyway, if pleading guilty or in any circumstances. A principle is a principle.

I understand the child abuse offences the defendants are charged with are heinous. Still a principle is a principle.

Another issue is potential D Notices. Theoretically that's a different area of society.

If the media really has been silenced, it's touching on a very important social issue, (whether or not you would bother to trust the MSM ordinarily anyway). I suppose it depends on what of this issue is prevented from being published.

D Notices in general. Here in The UK, they have long been the sanctified currency of a corrupt elite, as much as money derived from special privileges. From VIP child abuse to probable satanism to corrupt people in authority to the whole Illuminati style control.

The idea of them is hard to support.

Some people earlier on were posting about uprisings, of society losing it with the establishment. I'm not sure how relevant that is with this protest - especially when the charged defendants concerned were actually going to court for trial, rather than ignored. But if D Notices come into it, I guess there is always potential for trouble against the establishment.

a reply to: bw1000

There's no D-notice. D notices are nothing to do with courts - they cover nuclear missile codes, spies names, locations of secret bases, revealing upcoming military operations and millitary strengths and weaknesses.

D notices, or Defence Advisory notices as they're called nowadays relate to the military and national secrets - there's a list of current D notices here: www.dnotice.org.uk...

DA's are optional, the government can't enforce them - they just say 'Please don't report that..' and you have a moral/ethical decision whether to pay any attention to them or not - there's no punishment for breaking one.

The judge has put a Court Order ban on reporting his case until the one into grooming gangs concludes due to high risk of mistrial given the company he keeps and actions outside court.

a reply to: Fools

Our politics are most aptly described as a veritable powder keg.

That's why I'm stepping away from all this.

a reply to: bastion

Yes, D Notices are supposedly about anything which might somehow upset national security. There are publicly listed D Notices and then there are others which are top secret and not made public.

These kinds of D Notices have been used for all sorts of matters, much wider than what you've listed. Yes ostensibly for national security, but for example actually to cover up reputation issues of politicians.

I'd guess you're probably right on this case though, a D Notice doesn't seem the most appropriate response. Kerry might not have understood the terminology. I assumed she had a source of information.

Those are nazis, and they need to be stomped to the ground.
My grandfather fought those bastards, and he would turn in his grave if he saw anyone in great Britain dare call that vile scum patriots.

Where is that coming from?
It sounds like the Establishment media have totally twisted your brain to see reality in a deluded illusion and you are using their usual talking points to brand someone a name to destroy their cause and demonize them.
Nazi's?WTF.
A man named Tommy Robinson goes to the sentencing of Peadophile Pakistani child predators to show the rest of the country what the MSM refuse to do and report on facts.
He is arrested for basically being a journalist and within an hour thrown in Jail for thirteen months and then there is a media black out and anyone reporting it will be arrested.
So are these people Nazis for being opposed to totalitarian despot tactics to cover up child abuse?

I will be one of those you think needs stomping to the ground,come on please do it,many of us are furious and it is a powder keg about to explode,go on lad light the fuse.

Oops

a reply to: bw1000


Oh there used to be secret d-notices but they've now been relaxed into an odd grey area of 'semi public, semi secret' where a gist of the notice is given but no locations to avoid other nations or parties identifying locations and individuals.

Have been hit by the non-optional type before when it came to a child porn ring who'd signed official secrets act, been vetted by SIS/GOV, and were doing it on military grounds but couldn't be mentioned due to a nonsense claim other intel agencies could use it against them, the guys were made redundant and never faced charges. Pretty certain they're retired now, may have to dig that file back up.

Privacy injunctions and super injunctions geet abused in this manner too.



a reply to: southbeach

The MSM were all inside the court - they didn't report much other than the trial location charges, number of defendants etc.. as doing so would be a breach of reporting conditions and see them released due to mistrial.

He knowingly broke the law as the judge clearly laid it out to him and explained it's all to do with a fair trial and nothing to do with PC or cover-ups as the crazies claim.

Seeing as the offence was big enough to pose serious danger of the trial collapsing, he filmed his own crime, was on a suspended sentence for the same crime and was right outside the court it's an open and shut appearance infront of the judge.

He's been given enough chances and explanations of how the law works, he kept putting trials of grooming gangs in jeopardy and is facing the consequences.

If he wanted to highlight the issue there's more than enough cases that have concluded to write about, covering this only risks letting them escape jail.

Somehow I feel like mass Muslim migrations and politicians using the subject and other racial subjects, is simultaneously a big distraction and a way to gain support by utilizing fear.

originally posted by: southbeach

Those are nazis, and they need to be stomped to the ground.
My grandfather fought those bastards, and he would turn in his grave if he saw anyone in great Britain dare call that vile scum patriots.

Where is that coming from?
It sounds like the Establishment media have totally twisted your brain to see reality in a deluded illusion and you are using their usual talking points to brand someone a name to destroy their cause and demonize them.
Nazi's?WTF.
A man named Tommy Robinson goes to the sentencing of Peadophile Pakistani child predators to show the rest of the country what the MSM refuse to do and report on facts.
He is arrested for basically being a journalist and within an hour thrown in Jail for thirteen months and then there is a media black out and anyone reporting it will be arrested.
So are these people Nazis for being opposed to totalitarian despot tactics to cover up child abuse?

I will be one of those you think needs stomping to the ground,come on please do it,many of us are furious and it is a powder keg about to explode,go on lad light the fuse.

He's EDL. They're all racists and have a heap of Nazis amongst them. They're scum. They're not a political party.

originally posted by: 83Liberty

originally posted by: fencesitter85
Brit here. These are not patriots. These are racist scumbags and the vast vast vast majority of us don't support a thing they say.

Good grief, just listen to yourself.

If you actually listened to him speak rather than just following MSM, then you would realise that you actually do agree with a lot he has to say.

If you don't, then that makes you the racist scumbag.

Make all the assumptions you want mate. But unlike seemingly the majority on ATS I get my news from a wide range of sources.

The EDL is a racist, far-right organisation.

It's not subjective.

It's not a partisan issue.

It's simply a fact.

And they absolutely do not represent anything close to a majority view here, whether people are left or right leaning.

A woman who asked police why some Muslims were being allowed to pray in London's Hyde Park (praying in London's Royal Parks is illegal, regardless of the religion) finds herself under arrest at her home.



The absolute state of the UK.