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originally posted by: Wardaddy454
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
originally posted by: BrightConversation
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: chrismir
Turkey, or at least the events in Turkey, are in my opinion the biggest threat in the world to keep an eye on. The Kurds had a big impact in the war against IS. Now that 'job' is done they are under attack of the Turkish government and are frustrated the world is just watching. They expect backup of the west as return of their effort in facing IS.
So, what is the West doing? Just let Turkey do what they do? Abandon the Kurds and risk another Taliban? Keep in mind Kurds are all over Europe (don't know about US), mass protests have already taken place.
Personally I would love to see the West giving Turkey a big slap in the face, but I don't see that happening. Turkey is part of NATO and removing them from NATO would be a new chapter in itself (do we really want Turkey to fully military collaborate with Russia).
Damn sick situation.
What a racist and religionist post , like the rest of this thread .
Without Turks , there is NO NATO .
Painfull as it might be ; Turks provide security for West .
Lol Turkey being in NATO is an antiquated decision at this point.
Greece and Turkey joined NATO to stop them from fighting each other. Neither side is there to fight Russia which is the purpose of NATO.
Greece and Turkey joined NATO because they were anti-communist, and were pivotal in preventing Soviet expansion.
Now the only role Turkey plays in NATO is in the war on terrorism. If the US pulls out of that, what use is Turkey in NATO.
Turks can stand on their own against anyone .
History teaches you that fact .
French asked Turks help when they were facing Germen threat and Greeks are only back in NATO because Turks agreed .
When Russians roll into Europe ; French will again betray the Germans and make a deal with Russians .
Brits aren't gonna die for Germans either .
Turks are the only people who taxed Americans , Germans , French , Brits , Greeks , Russians , Chinese .
Turks are not scared of any one nation ; history didn't teach you that ?
In Korean War ,Turks heroics are legendary just ask veterans .
You can romanticize history, but it will forever remain history. Things change.
originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: 23432
I understand the ethnocentric posts. But first off Islam would not be as good as dead if Turkey falls. That is an outrageous claim.
Second no proof Turkey has nukes. They may have aquired them but it's certainly unknown. Turkey certainly does not produce nukes or very many weapons at all.
Nato may need Turkey for a strategic position but it's the US that Nato needs the most. Hands down.
France is every bit as important as is Germany. Both nations manufacture equipment which Turkey does not. Turkey is years away from producing there own supply of heavy arms. They need Europe, Russia, China, or the US to keep a supply line.
Turkey under erdogan is playing their best cards but too soon and too often. They are in no position to back off Europe and the US or will end up in the hands of Russia. Which may seem like a good short term plan for erdogan buts a bluff that will eventually fail if overplayed.
originally posted by: BrightConversation
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
originally posted by: BrightConversation
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: chrismir
Turkey, or at least the events in Turkey, are in my opinion the biggest threat in the world to keep an eye on. The Kurds had a big impact in the war against IS. Now that 'job' is done they are under attack of the Turkish government and are frustrated the world is just watching. They expect backup of the west as return of their effort in facing IS.
So, what is the West doing? Just let Turkey do what they do? Abandon the Kurds and risk another Taliban? Keep in mind Kurds are all over Europe (don't know about US), mass protests have already taken place.
Personally I would love to see the West giving Turkey a big slap in the face, but I don't see that happening. Turkey is part of NATO and removing them from NATO would be a new chapter in itself (do we really want Turkey to fully military collaborate with Russia).
Damn sick situation.
What a racist and religionist post , like the rest of this thread .
Without Turks , there is NO NATO .
Painfull as it might be ; Turks provide security for West .
Lol Turkey being in NATO is an antiquated decision at this point.
Greece and Turkey joined NATO to stop them from fighting each other. Neither side is there to fight Russia which is the purpose of NATO.
Greece and Turkey joined NATO because they were anti-communist, and were pivotal in preventing Soviet expansion.
Now the only role Turkey plays in NATO is in the war on terrorism. If the US pulls out of that, what use is Turkey in NATO.
Turks can stand on their own against anyone .
History teaches you that fact .
French asked Turks help when they were facing Germen threat and Greeks are only back in NATO because Turks agreed .
When Russians roll into Europe ; French will again betray the Germans and make a deal with Russians .
Brits aren't gonna die for Germans either .
Turks are the only people who taxed Americans , Germans , French , Brits , Greeks , Russians , Chinese .
Turks are not scared of any one nation ; history didn't teach you that ?
In Korean War ,Turks heroics are legendary just ask veterans .
You can romanticize history, but it will forever remain history. Things change.
Turks write history ; just because they were silent in last 100 years doesn't mean they changed .
Tell me whom the Turks should be scarred off ?
They should be afraid of science and technology. Their Allah didn't save them when they were beaten by the Russians. Their Allah didn't save them when the British dismantled their Ottoman empire. Without science and technology, you can't be a super power like Russia these day.
originally posted by: BrightConversation
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: 23432
I understand the ethnocentric posts. But first off Islam would not be as good as dead if Turkey falls. That is an outrageous claim.
Second no proof Turkey has nukes. They may have aquired them but it's certainly unknown. Turkey certainly does not produce nukes or very many weapons at all.
Nato may need Turkey for a strategic position but it's the US that Nato needs the most. Hands down.
France is every bit as important as is Germany. Both nations manufacture equipment which Turkey does not. Turkey is years away from producing there own supply of heavy arms. They need Europe, Russia, China, or the US to keep a supply line.
Turkey under erdogan is playing their best cards but too soon and too often. They are in no position to back off Europe and the US or will end up in the hands of Russia. Which may seem like a good short term plan for erdogan buts a bluff that will eventually fail if overplayed.
My claims are not ethnocentric at all . Turks represent " Northern Islam " and Arabs represents " Southern Islam " .
Whenever Islamic World gets organised ; it is under the rule of Turks .
Turks have nukes as well as more than few hundred million soldiers from all over the World .
Turks are not denying the number one role of US but without US Turks would be fine . Russians , Arabs, Greeks , Persians or Chinese don't scare the Turks either .
Turks can defeat Germans in an afternoon and French in anhour , that is if they turn up . Currently Turks manufacture % 80 of their own arms and in year 2023 , it will almost % 100 .
Your information is about 10 years out of date .
Putin's wife is an ethnic Turk and all the " stan " countries are Turks too . Russia has millions of Turks ; Russia needs Turks more than Turks need Russia .
Turks and Russians have no reason to go to war ; Erdogan probably would give them a base in Cyprus if it comes to it .
Only the Brits are on par with Turks in terms of military and Brits are on the side of Turks , yet again . Such as politics for you .
You are underestimating Turks big time .
When Russia annexed Crimea in 2014, Turks did object but they would not go to war with Russia. The time of swords and bows and arrows is over. These days, white people like Russians have so much technology it'll make your head spin. Thermal night vision can see you even in the dark.
originally posted by: BrightConversation
Turks will fail in Syria. You will see that. They think 30 million Kurds is so easy to deal with. They are wrong. This is their Korea, their Vietnam, their Afghanistan all rolled into one.
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
originally posted by: BrightConversation
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: chrismir
Turkey, or at least the events in Turkey, are in my opinion the biggest threat in the world to keep an eye on. The Kurds had a big impact in the war against IS. Now that 'job' is done they are under attack of the Turkish government and are frustrated the world is just watching. They expect backup of the west as return of their effort in facing IS.
So, what is the West doing? Just let Turkey do what they do? Abandon the Kurds and risk another Taliban? Keep in mind Kurds are all over Europe (don't know about US), mass protests have already taken place.
Personally I would love to see the West giving Turkey a big slap in the face, but I don't see that happening. Turkey is part of NATO and removing them from NATO would be a new chapter in itself (do we really want Turkey to fully military collaborate with Russia).
Damn sick situation.
What a racist and religionist post , like the rest of this thread .
Without Turks , there is NO NATO .
Painfull as it might be ; Turks provide security for West .
Lol Turkey being in NATO is an antiquated decision at this point.
Greece and Turkey joined NATO to stop them from fighting each other. Neither side is there to fight Russia which is the purpose of NATO.
Greece and Turkey joined NATO because they were anti-communist, and were pivotal in preventing Soviet expansion.
Now the only role Turkey plays in NATO is in the war on terrorism. If the US pulls out of that, what use is Turkey in NATO.
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: 23432
I understand the ethnocentric posts. But first off Islam would not be as good as dead if Turkey falls. That is an outrageous claim.
Second no proof Turkey has nukes. They may have aquired them but it's certainly unknown. Turkey certainly does not produce nukes or very many weapons at all.
Nato may need Turkey for a strategic position but it's the US that Nato needs the most. Hands down.
France is every bit as important as is Germany. Both nations manufacture equipment which Turkey does not. Turkey is years away from producing there own supply of heavy arms. They need Europe, Russia, China, or the US to keep a supply line.
Turkey under erdogan is playing their best cards but too soon and too often. They are in no position to back off Europe and the US or will end up in the hands of Russia. Which may seem like a good short term plan for erdogan buts a bluff that will eventually fail if overplayed.
My claims are not ethnocentric at all . Turks represent " Northern Islam " and Arabs represents " Southern Islam " .
Whenever Islamic World gets organised ; it is under the rule of Turks .
Turks have nukes as well as more than few hundred million soldiers from all over the World .
Turks are not denying the number one role of US but without US Turks would be fine . Russians , Arabs, Greeks , Persians or Chinese don't scare the Turks either .
Turks can defeat Germans in an afternoon and French in anhour , that is if they turn up . Currently Turks manufacture % 80 of their own arms and in year 2023 , it will almost % 100 .
Your information is about 10 years out of date .
Putin's wife is an ethnic Turk and all the " stan " countries are Turks too . Russia has millions of Turks ; Russia needs Turks more than Turks need Russia .
Turks and Russians have no reason to go to war ; Erdogan probably would give them a base in Cyprus if it comes to it .
Only the Brits are on par with Turks in terms of military and Brits are on the side of Turks , yet again . Such as politics for you .
You are underestimating Turks big time .
originally posted by: mortex
How do most Kurds back Turkey? Lol
If they did the PKK wouldn’t be such a challenge.
The PKK has been a constant problem for decades now.
How do they operate amongst the Kurds if most Kurds support Turkey?
Wishful thinking.
a reply to: 23432