Turkey has announced that the Kurdish genocide is about to begin.

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: 23432

Banning usury would be hilarious since he accepted the loans he has taken that do exactly what banning usury purpose is.


Erdogan used to act like a sufi before the power went to his head.

Egomaniacs use whatever cause necessary to achieve more power. Whet he r a third Reich, an alternative right, socialism, etc...

Dude

I am not obliged to please you with my answers ; you are free to think whatever you want about Erdogan .

800 trillion volume in money and only 80 trilliion in circulation ; you think banning usury is hilarious ; let me ask you , are you a usurper yourself ?

Why are you failing to understand that there is a righteous political substance to stand on and Erdogan happens to be the guy who is on the substance at moment .

Erdogan is asking for re-arrangement on UN and by the looks of it , the Security Councill will have to include a Muslim Nation i.e Turkey or risk losing 2 billion muslims all together .

Egomanians as yu call them are the individuals who change the World ; for better or worse Erdogan is changing the World and people who voted for him like it .

How deluded do you have to be to not see it ???

a reply to: 23432

Do you have a link to his comments regarding the firmament?

a reply to: 23432

I do see ithat silly. Just told you so..

How did Hitler get those folks on board?

Sure it was a bit more extreme but there is plenty of time for the little guy to go fI'll nut bar.

You are a terrific sponsor of his moronic ideas.

Like I said. He sponsored usury by accepting short term loans economically speaking. Maybe you don't understand what that means.

For him to look good and go around kissing babies at this massive "growth" and new city scapes he sold out the currency and labor force...

Are you that oblivious?

originally posted by: Rosinitiate
a reply to: 23432

Do you have a link to his comments regarding the firmament?

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: 23432

I do see ithat silly. Just told you so..

How did Hitler get those folks on board?

Sure it was a bit more extreme but there is plenty of time for the little guy to go fI'll nut bar.

You are a terrific sponsor of his moronic ideas.

Like I said. He sponsored usury by accepting short term loans economically speaking. Maybe you don't understand what that means.

For him to look good and go around kissing babies at this massive "growth" and new city scapes he sold out the currency and labor force...

Are you that oblivious?

:facepalm:

You really think this is all about " him " ?

Don't you ?


I am against Usury WorldWide and have no hesitation declaring it .

Erdogan sponsored Usury so he can't stop it argument is as flaw as it gets ; he is getting ready to introduce " Islamic Bonds " valued at approx 30 trillion .

Every month he hints his displeasure against the Rothschild controlled Central Bank and their monetary policies .

He is in fact on record saying he is on a war path to destroy " interest " .



Please understand what Erdogan is all about ; which is Islamic Unification , under Turks of course .

That is an eternal achievement that will live on as long as the Islamic World is in existence .

Erdogan by all acounts is a politician , a successfull politician at that .

By describing him as a megolamaniac dictator ; those who oppose him the most actually do become the very fuel that burns in the hearts of poor and needy of Earth .

Man already has a place in the peoples hearts all over the World and he hasn't killed Kurds or Jews .

In fact he has a sizeable Kurdish and Jewish supporters , rather visible too .

Hitler mostly killed Karai Jews who were Turks btw .

Also when Jews were being murdered ; it was Turks who twice opened their doors , following Islam's orders .

Kurds and Turks have intermarried and lived together over 1000 years ; Kurds Joined Ottomans willingly and maintained a relationship wantingly over a millenia .

You literally peddling some sh1te fantasy that under Erdogan's orders , people like me will turn against our own .



You talk about being oblivious as well .

Oh the Irony .

Anyhow , does your cousin really believe that Turks will kill Kurds and people just sit and watch ?



If he says yes , he is a moron .

p.s most Kurds are pious muslims who wouldn't even dream about running a bar .

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: 23432

Stay current! Do you not really see a little difference in how Trump views things? Granted, there are powers involved that can mess things up....IF. in fact, Trump is fully his own man in this issue, but allow that possibility in your views.

The games in the ME likely aren't fixable by Trump or anyone else outside that region, but by george, he sure as heck can give em pause....

Trump is I think the Last President of USA .

It's the Age of Empires ; we will wait to see what comes out of US ?


In this situation ; If Erdogan kills all 30000 mercs of Eric it makes no difference to over all plan of US.

The fact is " we " can't defeat China without Yankees .

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

Turkey is afraid that the US decision to establish a border force of 30,000 men under the PYD / YPG (Syrian Kurds) in the northern part of Syria bordering Turkey will lead to an independed Kurdistan. That is the reason that Turkey wants to stop with every means neccesary. Also keep in mind that according to Turkey PYD/YPG considered terrorist groups.

In Cumhuriyet Erdogan said " You see it, i see it. Our alies keep insisting on establishing army at our borders. Is it because the Turkey is the next target? It is our duty to cut this terrorist arm, before he could get up.." that is a rough translation from a quote mentioned on a Greek article found here : Translated article 15/01/2018


Peace

With all the Middle East turmoil, generally fed by the West (ie USA), perhaps the time is right for the return of another "Empire" in that region....maybe the Ottomans again?

While Turkey has a great presence in the region, I would think a relatively feared peoples of that region, would be the Iranians.
Only a scant 40 years or so ago, Iran was a pillar of modern society, albeit as a lap dog of the USA.
The Iranian peoples are quite proud of their heritage, and make it Well aware to foreigners, that they are Not Arabs!!, and have a far richer history than most in the area, save the Egyptians perhaps.
It may really not take much of an effort to meld the current "Arab" Moslem religious teachings into a new and greater force.....
A New Persian Empire!
Imagine if the Iranians could be lead by a charismatic secular leader, who wants to united the peoples under the banner of the "Persian" doctrine......
I would think that the Turks would be quaking in their boots at that thought.

And the Iranians (Persians) Do have the "Bomb". and a button on their desk too.

originally posted by: gort51
With all the Middle East turmoil, generally fed by the West (ie USA), perhaps the time is right for the return of another "Empire" in that region....maybe the Ottomans again?

While Turkey has a great presence in the region, I would think a relatively feared peoples of that region, would be the Iranians.
Only a scant 40 years or so ago, Iran was a pillar of modern society, albeit as a lap dog of the USA.
The Iranian peoples are quite proud of their heritage, and make it Well aware to foreigners, that they are Not Arabs!!, and have a far richer history than most in the area, save the Egyptians perhaps.
It may really not take much of an effort to meld the current "Arab" Moslem religious teachings into a new and greater force.....
A New Persian Empire!
Imagine if the Iranians could be lead by a charismatic secular leader, who wants to united the peoples under the banner of the "Persian" doctrine......
I would think that the Turks would be quaking in their boots at that thought.

And the Iranians (Persians) Do have the "Bomb". and a button on their desk too.

Persians are decades behind Turks when it comes to Democracy .

Persians actually fly out to Turkey to go clubbing .

Half of Iran is made up of Turks , the Shia version .

Your desire that a Shia Leader who follow Persian Doctrine might capture the hearts and souls of Arabs is an admirably naive too .

Historically speaking the area has nothing to do with Persia either .

Back in 1979 about 2 million Persian refugees arrived in Istanbul , thanks to a French operation of " Islamic Revolution " .

I am sick and tired of refugees from Iran , Iraq , Syria , Bulgaria , Caucasia , Bosnia , Kosovo , Somalia , Afghanistan etc etc arriving in the City I live .

One of these days , I am gonna get my guns and go after all those who create these refugees .



Irony of course is ALL these refugees were under the Ottoman rule for 700 years and history has never recorded so many refugees .

The century these nations got their " independences " with the help of their Emperialist masters is also the century with most refugees around the World .

Ottomans did it better , did it longer , did it faster and fairer .

Justice that is .



Yeah , do talk about the irony indeed .

a reply to: 23432

We shall see whether the man moves into Syria or not. If he does....he's toast.

Loved by Billions of Muslims?? There aren't 'billions of Muslims' to love him! Then there's the Iranians and their equally myopic desire for another 'Persian Empire'. I doubt the Persians 'love him'.

Then there's the Levant crowd and looking at their intentions, they've already split the power among themselves, in advance and have zero desire or intention of letting him in to play.

Sorry, but there's more going on than a resurrected Ottoman Empire going on here.

Putin and Trump together can keep this from getting out of hand. Otherwise, there will be no Empires. Nothing will be left for a long time...

Army experience visit I g the capit and Istanbul was that the new generation of Turks are trying to assimilate into Eurocentric western culture thus look don on Kurd, Azeris and look up to French, American, Greeks, etc.
Look already what they did to Armenians.

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan
I like when Kurds play grenade hot potato against Turkish outposts. It makes for great entertainment.

The Kurds have been receiving a steady supply of Surface to air Manpads, Turkish air will start to fall just like Saudi and UAE air over Yemen. Is this the age of the underdog?

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: Theprodicalson

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

Wonder what will happen when Turkey start killing American backed Kurdish fighters ?

The US will abandon the Kurds....as it always has.

Defending the Kurds might be the right thing to do, but is not the most profitable or politically practical thing to do...... and so the USA will throw them under the bus as profit and politics come before morality.......

Sames goes for France and the UK, they will throw the kurds under the bus too for the same reason.

Historically, I'd agree. In this case we have the 'Trump factor'. He is one who doesn't always follow the beaten track...

He is a buisnessman not a champion of morality.

He will view helping the kurds at the expense of Turkey a "bad deal for the usa".

Plus the deep state wont allow him to help the kurds.

And he has already shown he will suck up to morally deficient regimes in saudi arabia.

a reply to: Theprodicalson
the Deep state wont allow him to help the Kurds?? Who do you think has been sending them Manpads, armored trucks, heavy artillery, ATGM's, endless shipments of surplus rifles and Multi Launch rocket systems, drones,etc.. etc..
the list goes on. I guess none of that came from the deep state though. The separation of Rojava has been a deep state operation.

it is a very good deal because now we have more than a handful of operating bases in that state with air lift capacity with greater leeway and flexibility than the terms that came with Incirlik, as well as free access to the Euphrates. Plus there is always the possibility they will open up their land to a Palestinian Exodus, well thats more my hope. Turkey is working with Iran to try and revive the Ottoman and Persian empire with Russian and Chinese backing. Trump and the Pentagon have decided to not just sit on their hands and watch it happen.

Turkey already has opened outposts in Africa and mark my words, they will be exporting their Somali henchmen once they build a sizeable force and their port in Sudan is finalized in a few years. They will be sending African mercs through the Suez to Europe and airlifting to the Middle East through Qatar.

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: Theprodicalson
the Deep state wont allow him to help the Kurds?? Who do you think has been sending them Manpads, armored trucks, heavy artillery, ATGM's, endless shipments of surplus rifles and Multi Launch rocket systems, drones,etc.. etc..
the list goes on. I guess none of that came from the deep state though. The separation of Rojava has been a deep state operation.

They where supplied as they where useful cannon fodder for the proxy war in Syria.


Now the turks are involved that equipment line will dry up.


Not like the USA hadnt used certain group and abandoned the before.


Plus Turkey is a much more profitable country to sell US weapons too. They already have a deal for F-35 , just one of those planes likely costs more than all the weapons sent to the kurds.

`a reply to: Theprodicalson
Except Turkey is increasingly buying the systems it does not manufacture domestically from Russia instead. They already switched sides. They handle most of their defense needs domestically.

Yea you know that line you said about the shipments drying up to the Kurds was played six months ago. And they are receiving more weapons and training than ever before. And Turkey is still pissed off. Rojava is not going back to Syria, it has already been split off. I would understand the typical use and dump proxy argument if they already did not splinter off 1/4 of Syria's land and now securing those borders with a heavily armed and well trained security force.

Face it, NATO got it exactly what it wanted, Turkey got egg on its face, and Rojava and the Kurds are not going anywhere.

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

The Kurds are not standing alone if some of the articles I have read are to be believed.. I am just glad they were not thrown under the bus as expendables.. The USA and partners are securing a base in the north on Turkey's border ..US 'Playing With Fire' by Building 'Terrorist Army' in Syria - Turkish Deputy PM

The plans of the US-led coalition to form new "Border Defense Force" have sparked angry reaction from Turkey as Ankara has repeatedly accused the US of arming some of Syrian Kurds, which the Turkish side regards as terrorist groups.

The US is creating a "terrorist army" under the guise of border security forces in northern Syria, Turkey's Deputy Prime Minister Bekir Bozdag said on Monday.

sputniknews.com...
But that is the north so let us not forget the south along Iraq's border.

US forces illegally occupy a 55 square km area in southeastern Syria near the Iraqi border.

Russia’s General Staff called the area a staging ground for US armed struggle against the Syrian government, using ISIS and other terrorists, Kurdish YPG fighters used for the same purpose in northern areas near Turkey’s border.

According to Russian General Staff chief General Valery Gerasimov, US special forces airlifted ISIS terrorists from Deir Ezzor to At Tanf.

Not the first time we have read of supplies and transportation by the US coalition forces for ISIS/ you know...the ones we call freedom fighters ...
www.rense.com...

a reply to: 727Sky
The only terrorist army still in the area of the Turkish border inside Syria are the Turkish backed Free Syrian Army and its many subsidiary groups. The YPG are not the ones caught beheading children on video like the FSA splinter groups. The SDF and YPG under them are not executing villages and stealing essential supplies from the citizens the way the Turkish backed FSA and its various subsidiaries had been doing and continue to do today.

ISIS in Syria is mostly gone. Alleged small pockets only exist near the Golan border or outside Damascus.

Turkey is a very bigoted towards Kurds. If a person is a Kurd, it is a default terrorist to the Turkish government/military, even if it was an infant child they would drop bombs on them.

originally posted by: Theprodicalson

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: Theprodicalson

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

Wonder what will happen when Turkey start killing American backed Kurdish fighters ?

The US will abandon the Kurds....as it always has.

Defending the Kurds might be the right thing to do, but is not the most profitable or politically practical thing to do...... and so the USA will throw them under the bus as profit and politics come before morality.......

Sames goes for France and the UK, they will throw the kurds under the bus too for the same reason.

Historically, I'd agree. In this case we have the 'Trump factor'. He is one who doesn't always follow the beaten track...

He is a buisnessman not a champion of morality.

He will view helping the kurds at the expense of Turkey a "bad deal for the usa".

Plus the deep state wont allow him to help the kurds.

And he has already shown he will suck up to morally deficient regimes in saudi arabia.

I'd modify your statement a bit.

Trump's 'strength' is 'business'...and negotiation. (Not the traditional legal/political routes.)

It wouldn't necessarily be to 'help the Kurds', per say. It would be preventing another 'Saddam move' as in Kuwait. TPTB didn't permit Saddam the opportunity to control the ME and very likely wouldn't allow Turkey, either. Invasion of another ME nation wasn't part of the 'deal/U.S. policy offered ME nations in Trump's speech to the 50 ME leaders. It was no further 'nation building' or 'democratizing efforts'. The U.S. would leave each alone, IF they took care of extremists in their own nation. That did not include invasion of a neighbor.

That's what Saudi Arabia seems to have done to solidify U.S. support. Cleaned out a segment of radicals, criminals and, I suspect, those directly or indirectly responsible for 9/11.

Saudi oil cannot be disrupted without massive trauma in Europe who is dependent on that supply. Any significant 'changes' in SA would cause that effect. Therefore? A quid pro quo. Works for me.

Morality? Merely an excuse for further immoral military action. Are any ME nations 'moral'? That's better left to the citizens of that nation. It worked to a degree in Egypt and seems to be in progress in Iran. JMO, though.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: 23432

We shall see whether the man moves into Syria or not. If he does....he's toast.

Loved by Billions of Muslims?? There aren't 'billions of Muslims' to love him! Then there's the Iranians and their equally myopic desire for another 'Persian Empire'. I doubt the Persians 'love him'.

Then there's the Levant crowd and looking at their intentions, they've already split the power among themselves, in advance and have zero desire or intention of letting him in to play.

Sorry, but there's more going on than a resurrected Ottoman Empire going on here.

Putin and Trump together can keep this from getting out of hand. Otherwise, there will be no Empires. Nothing will be left for a long time...

Anyone can run a search on youtube on Erdogan's visits to many different countries and read the comments below the video .

What you will find is an assortment statements from various nations aorund the World professing their love for him .

Persians are simply put not ready internally to create anything resembling an empire ; their own people are not really satisfied with the so called Islamic Regime .

Half of Iran's population is made up of Turks and they sure love Erdogan for sure .

Erdogan also is about to set up a military base in Iran too .



Where do you get your info from ?

The fight is between UK and US about who gets to control the New Silk Road .

US wants to muscle in on the UK power within the Arab World ; i.e creation of an Arab Nato courtesy of US Military Industrial lobby .

Other players are not going to sit on their back sides while the Jesuit Knight Trump steals the oil in the Middle East so the Neo Yankee Empire can dominate the New Silk Road .

China , Russia , Iran , Turkey , Britain , France are predominant countries who stand to lose big from a US dominated Middle East ; Eric's Mercs will be killed .

Kurds are pawns in this game of who is gonna steal Arab land and oil.