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Is It Now Considered “Sexual Misconduct” to Ask For Sex?

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posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 07:26 AM
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originally posted by: slider1982
The issue is that what someone thinks is minor flirting someone else will see as full on sexual assault.

To further muddy the water a lawyer or police officer will ask the "victim" how the situation made them feel, you could be having a innocent but flirty conversation at a office party for you to take the conversation one step further and boom you have crossed the line with that person and you now can be accused of sexual harassment and loose everything.

Personally I would never be a sports coach or mentor, I will not be alone with any female colleagues at work, I do not socialise with any female colleagues from work, I do not use any social media.

Call me paranoid but I just see it as keeping one's self safe, even a hint of such accusations being link to yourself will be curtains to any career you may have and will have far reaching consequences.



RA



Not paranoia, just good sense. Very recently a female barrister gave the advice that men and women shouldn't socialize together because if a woman has one drink , and you have sex with her later that night, you could be charged with and convicted of rape.




posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 07:49 AM
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originally posted by: Sheye
Asking for sex could be considered abusive ! Whatever happened to asking someone out on a date if you are sexually attracted to them ? Asking someone to have sex with you without ever getting to the dating stage is repugnant , and could be viewed as harassment. Not a chance it would have so easily happened in my parents day. You needed to ask someone on a date and get their parents permission. I miss the old days 😕


I agree with you a thousand percent, but. I believe they meant asking for sex under any circumstances.

[ "If you have to ask for sex you don't deserve to get it."

"If you guys can’t read someone’s body language you have problems."

“Asking for sex” though in my opinion conjures an image of a socially awkward guy not unlike “Borat” walking up and saying “you are very pretty, would you like to make sex with me?” ]

So if you can't read body language, or a million other "clues", it is just to difficult to be straight forward and honest.
I was taught that you ask for what you want, and accept the answer given. So honesty is needed by all parties concerned.

If someone ask you anything in an inappropriate manner "NO" is all you should need. Some of us are asked inappropriate things almost every day.



posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 07:57 AM
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originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: Metallicus

Because no always means no, yes doesn't always mean yes, because consent can be given under duress. One way that happens a lot is when there's a power imbalance in the relationship and one person doesn't feel like they can say no.


It is so very difficult to find any relationship were the parties are truly equal in all things. If you are strictly speaking about work place equality that's one thing, but truly being equal covers so much. Is it truly possible?



posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 08:05 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: [post=22858495]

I gonna break one of the cardinal rules of Man Club, but here goes.

When a chick, any chick, talks to us we automatically think she wants to do lay down dancing.

And God forbid if you touch our arm, then we have to flex it for like 5 minutes.


Really? You don't know any men that have even a tiny, itsy, bitsy, tinny, weeny bit of more respect for women, and themselves. Maybe, just maybe you have no sisters to give your thoughts pause.



posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 08:10 AM
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a reply to: melatonin

Maybe you can womansplain how asking a woman if she wants to have sex, her saying yes, and then her willingly having sex is assault.



posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 08:27 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy




But what is sexual assault?


Back in the day pre neanderthal political era it was just called RAPE.

In the 21st century sexual assault is a catch all phrase used to score political points.

Another made up term like 'Assault' weapon.

Apparently it ranges from saying things that people absolutely love about rap videos, and is used to destroy everyone else in real life.



posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 08:35 AM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

LOLL totally...like 20 times over



posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 08:38 AM
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a reply to: Metallicus

A loosely related observation: I just find it funny how puritanical the left has become. All becauase of trump.



posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 08:42 AM
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originally posted by: JarridSinn
Really? You don't know any men that have even a tiny, itsy, bitsy, tinny, weeny bit of more respect for women, and themselves. Maybe, just maybe you have no sisters to give your thoughts pause.


It was a joke.



posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 08:44 AM
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a reply to: UndeadWarrior


This was his best work:




posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 08:45 AM
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a reply to: melatonin

Or, in cases such as this, we can just call a duck a duck and tell these women to stop sniveling. Somebody's feelings do not transcend the actual law.



posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 08:54 AM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: DBCowboy




But what is sexual assault?


Back in the day pre neanderthal political era it was just called RAPE.

In the 21st century sexual assault is a catch all phrase used to score political points.

Another made up term like 'Assault' weapon.

Apparently it ranges from saying things that people absolutely love about rap videos, and is used to destroy everyone else in real life.



Important Life Lessons 101 (otherwise known as How To Adult):

(written in laymen terms for those who read slow)

1) Sexual Harassment: Verbal harassment of another person in a sexual manner without making physical contact

2) Sexual Assault: The physical groping of another person without invitation

3) Rape: Sexual Assault plus internal penetration of any orifice of the other person





Clear enough for you ?

Or should I write it out in crayon ?



posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 09:01 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: melatonin

Maybe you can womansplain how asking a woman if she wants to have sex, her saying yes, and then her willingly having sex is assault.


If it is not coerced, then it wouldn't be. Simples.

However, that was not what happened with Louis CK.



posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 09:06 AM
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originally posted by: Arizonaguy
a reply to: melatonin

Or, in cases such as this, we can just call a duck a duck and tell these women to stop sniveling. Somebody's feelings do not transcend the actual law.


What happened with Louis CK was sexual assault.


originally posted by: melatonin
The essence of the claims are that Louis CK locked the door to the room, asked young colleagues if he could masturbate, most thought he was joking (he is a comedian, no?), then whipped his wang out and started masturbating. Many tried to exit, he blocked the door to stop them leaving.

This is suggested to have happened many many times. When these claims have made the light of day (since around 2012), his PR machine kicked into action to silence the accusers.

That is sexual assault. And he's said the allegations are true.


And those are the least of the allegations.

This thread is a pretty good fishing thread to understand the perspective of the thinking of many guys - gotta catch them all D:

You do your gender no favours, lol. I'm not even some ranty raving radical feminist D:
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posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 09:06 AM
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a reply to: CranialSponge

Should I write out the first amendment and explain what FREE speech is to those that apparently were never taught sticks and stones.

There are WORSE things going on around us right now.

But hey why let crimes be proven in courts of law anyway.

Yippie Kayah for the kangaroo courts of public opinion.


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posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 09:08 AM
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originally posted by: neo96
Should I write out the first amendment and explain what FREE speech is to those that apparently were never taught sticks and stones.


Maybe you should, and then pause to read it a few times so you can explain how it's relevant since it deals with the government's interaction with citizens.



posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 09:10 AM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Maybe others should stop acting like the Puritans and branding people with scarlet A's.



posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 09:12 AM
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originally posted by: neo96
Maybe others should stop acting like the Puritans and branding people with scarlet A's.


I'm sure Harvey and Louis appreciate your support.

Figure that First Amendment thing out yet?



posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 09:13 AM
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a reply to: neo96



Should I write out the first amendment and explain what FREE speech is to those that apparently were never taught sticks and stones.


You just displayed on the internet for the entire world to see that you actually believe not being allowed to sexually harass another human being is infringing on your right to 'free speech'.

Way to go.

Here, have a cookie.



posted on Nov, 12 2017 @ 09:14 AM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Pretty clear some don't under stand what free speech is.

What crime was committed ?

Is It Now Considered “Sexual Misconduct” to Ask For Sex?

Other than the ministry of truth running around acting like the brown shirts.




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