Antifa Leaders Upset Media Focused On Their Violence

originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: Vasa Croe

"Antifa" didn't start in 2016, that was when the Media decided they could exploit it as a "Trump-Vs-Left" narrative

Anti-Fascism has always existed as a synthesis of individuals, anarchists, communist, socialist, they are not a "Political Party" i mean separate we (anarchists) fight with Socialist and Communist all the time...

Formally, in the US, it did start in 2016. Prior to that it wasn't Antifa.

I wonder what the real Antifa that began in Europe would think of the US version....then again, they were reformed by other parties as a means to an end as well.

I do get a chuckle out of the name though....reminds me of that part in Napolean Dynamite when Lip is waiting outside the bus stop with a sign that says LaFawnduh....all I can see is AnTifuh....cant wait for some idiot to name their kid that.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

You are wrong, There was Anti-Racist-Action, and people were synthesising as "Antifa" before 2016

originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: MysticPearl

Yeah, we do, if you are unable to think that there are people who will fight for individual liberation from authoritarian systems, you remain ignorant, keep at it

You sound like ISIS liberating themselves from all us infidels.

All you're doing is shutting down, with violence, those you don't agree with. You have no clue what liberation is. Punching a woman because you think she's some made-up Nazi isn't liberation from authoritarian systems. It's stupidity.

originally posted by: MysticPearl

originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: MysticPearl

Yeah, we do, if you are unable to think that there are people who will fight for individual liberation from authoritarian systems, you remain ignorant, keep at it

You sound like ISIS liberating themselves from all us infidels.

All you're doing is shutting down, with violence, those you don't agree with. You have no clue what liberation is.

But they can't be doing that....it would be something a fascist would want to do. Right? And they are Anti Fascists. So, using violence to shut down an opposing viewpoint can't be possible. Unless, they are all witless pawns being used for other purposes.

a reply to: XAnarchistX

So in essence a small faction is really trying to end fascism, and it sounds like the other factions are trying to promote it.


Without any kind of structure to the groups that unify them, antifa is nothing more than a generic label for people to protest under.


A follow up question would be the obvious:

How does denying anyone freedom of speech suppose to stop fascism? I get the whole anti-hate speech thing, but in a free society you do have to respect opinions that are different then your own.

a reply to: XAnarchistX

Whoa, you can't equate anti-fascism in general to Antifa--you're trying to bullsh*t your way through your response, here.

Antifa proper has not "always existed," it was started in Germany in the 1930s under the name "Antifaschistische Aktion" and held their first rally in Berlin in order to fight against the Nazis (alongside the Communists). In fact, Antifa history is riddled with their helping and coexisting alongside Communist organizations.

Here's the deal, you can protest the reality that there is a leader (or a group of leaders) all that you want to, but every--and I mean EVERY--movement that can organize and protest and riot in a relatively controlled way has leaders, even if the leadership torch may pass to other people every time the group "rises up," and even if you, as an individual member of the group, doesn't know who they are.

The fact of the matter is that, it's probable that you just don't know who the leader(s) is/are, and you have been led to believe that there are none. You also tell others that we live in a "conspiracy fantasy world," yet here you are in a guaranteed "leaderless" group who all happen to fight for/against the same thing and organize together and who see "fascism" at every turn, all while calling yourselves "anti-fascists" while you employ fascist tactics.

But, yes, it is we who live in the fantasy world...keep up that narrative, kiddo.

Here's a thought, keep hiding behind the internet and black facial coverings and LARPing props, because if you expose you or your groups cowardly faces while committing the acts that you do, your little leaderless group would crumble into nothing, and I guarantee that the courage that you and your "leaderless" group seem to have would dissipate like a fart into the wind.

The reality is that you think that you're part of a group that is more intimidating and useful than it really is, and the reality that people call you out on it makes you defensive: Well, just understand that we're all either laughing at your "movement," condemning it for the illogical violent mob that it is, or just happily awaiting a confrontation with you so that you can see that you don't intimidate everyone. Either way, you have zero credibility, but by all means, keep on keeping on defending your Land of Leaderless Make Believe, as long as you've come to terms with being the running butt of many people's jokes.

I feel as though this may get removed. I hope not.

a reply to: SlapMonkey

Yeah, I have said Antifa has been a synthesis of anarchists, communists, socialist etc, individually we have different 'goals' and 'end games' e.g we want anarchy.

when we synthesise for 'Anti-fascist actions we do so as individuals gathered for one action, e.g stopping fascists, but also what people don't understand is that the Black Bloc is tactics anarchists and other insurgents have used for decades, just because we show up and Bloc doesn't-mean we are fighting under the 'Antifa Banner''.

there are many who show up as individuals in Bloc because it is a tactic we use

a reply to: Guyfriday

Who is promoting fascism besides neo-fascists?

fascism is an ideology, Violence does not equal fascism.

originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: Guyfriday

Who is promoting fascism besides neo-fascists?

fascism is an ideology, Violence does not equal fascism.

VIolently enforcing your view IS fascist though.

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: MysticPearl

Yeah, we do, if you are unable to think that there are people who will fight for individual liberation from authoritarian systems, you remain ignorant, keep at it

I think you're a terrorist and a threat to our way of life.

OOh...maybe i can make soem money off of this guy you responded to by turning him in to rewards for justice and if he gets prosecuted they pay me for the tip. I can always use a extra 25 k.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: Guyfriday

Who is promoting fascism besides neo-fascists?

fascism is an ideology, Violence does not equal fascism.

VIolently enforcing your view IS fascist though.

Violence is violence.

Fascism is fascism.

Anarchism is anarchism.

Guy Fawkes was a guy who tried to violently destroy the British monarch and his government.

I'd much prefer to see non-violent anarchist approaches, but I suppose shoving flowers in guns only takes us so far :/

Peace, Love, Anarchy (:

a reply to: XAnarchistX




According to the political scientist and historian Robert Paxton:

"Fascism is a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion."

A basic tenement of fascism is supporting the legitimacy of political violence. Fascist view violent actions as a necessity in politics and most fascist parties have their own private militias to reinforce this belief.

These idealistic behaviors look and feel a lot like the actions of antifa. Feel free to correct me if I'm misunderstanding the difference though.

originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: Guyfriday

Who is promoting fascism besides neo-fascists?

fascism is an ideology, Violence does not equal fascism.

But fascism requires violence.

And violence requires fascism.

a reply to: yuppa

No, Fascism is an Ideology, Violence is a tactic, fascists use violence to install fascism

are you saying that any 'violent action' would be considered 'fascist'?

a reply to: Guyfriday

Because Fascists use "Violent tactics" doesn't mean all violence is fascist

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
Wasn't there some Antifa on ATS claiming Antifa is leaderless? What the hell is this then? They have leaders, they have organization, they are targetable by law enforcement. Go get em.

Of course they have leaders how else could they be bussed in with impeccable timing from all over the country?

originally posted by: toysforadults

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
Wasn't there some Antifa on ATS claiming Antifa is leaderless? What the hell is this then? They have leaders, they have organization, they are targetable by law enforcement. Go get em.

Of course they have leaders how else could they be bussed in with impeccable timing from all over the country?

If you were a leader of gay Isis, you wouldn't want to be recognized or identified either.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

dude, first off totally offended, secondly you are incedibly homofrickenphobic

you seriously need to lay off the steroids and get out of the gym and realize that not everyone is like you ok?

As UK AntiFA myself, I can confirm that the vast majority don't engage in the studity dispayed by some US AntiFA, but pretty horrified by how distorted the message has become to see a #ing press conference and pr division in whatever distored interpretation and running joke it's becoming.

a reply to: XAnarchistX

Funny you should mention Black Bloc.

Back in the 1990's I knew several members of the Southern and Northwest Factions.

They dressed in all black, stood silently and remained rank and file and never broke formation even if hit.

Bloc Tactic was supposed to be a peaceful show of silent solidarity, not what the Anarchists are doing with it.

Shame to hear the name smeared.

Just sayin'.

The only thing the modern movements took from them was wearing black.