Gov. McAuliffee: You Are not Welcome

a reply to: TobyFlenderson

You misunderstand my post, let alone my motivations. For a start, it wasn't an analogy.

I've known people who were in Germany in the 20s and 30s and Nazism started real quiet: some newspapers, some meetings, some marches. There was resistance from the left from day one.

Then came the violence and crimes and plenty of resistance more resistance from the left. Thing is, the state was more scared of the left - particularly after the soviets of 1918 and the Spartacist uprising - so it came down much harder on them. As did the freikorps/ The Nazis got a free pass.

All the nastiness, the antisemtimism under the surface of middle and eastern Europe, came out in the same way. Slowly.

Like Pastor Niemoller observed, nobody else acted until it was too late.

I quoted Hitler because he told us where the fascism's weak spot is: before it becomes mainstream. We can challenge it now or we can wait for it to gradually build up to the same brutal crescendo as last time.

Your constitution protects free speech from interference from the state. It does not protect it from opposition or criticism.

I've got kids. I'll challenge it.

a reply to: Whodathunkdatcheese

Interesting, observe which group is not getting anyone's attention today. They started out quiet too.

Everyone is on guard against the Nazis, but no one is on guard against the left.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

This chump is a governor.
But you're right....He shouldn't be saying this for us...We should all be saying it ourselves. There is no room for bigotry in democracy.
There's no room for people who hate merely because of what you look like.
Nothing is more ignorant than hating someone for the color of their skin.

I know we don't often agree Silly, but you are exactly right.
My wife and I were at a funeral memorial luncheon yesterday when I happened to check my phone and it was blowing up with news alerts about this. I couldn't believe what I was reading.
In the year 2017, this type of violence and hatred against anyone, regardless of skin color, should be a distant, sickening memory of the past.
No place for it anywhere, anytime. Period.

a reply to: Whodathunkdatcheese

So what, just kill them? I'm being hyperbolic, but I don't get this "I'll out shout you" mentality. It's immature and juvenile. It will harden the mindset of the uncommitted believers of the non-sense, it will drive others to the same thing. Though I agree with your goals, I disagree with your tactics and believe they will be counterproductive to the end we both wish to achieve.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Whodathunkdatcheese

Interesting, observe which group is not getting anyone's attention today. They started out quiet too.

Everyone is on guard against the Nazis, but no one is on guard against the left.

Never let a crisis go to waste eh?

It's not about right and left; it's about rejecting political violence on American soil.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Whodathunkdatcheese

Interesting, observe which group is not getting anyone's attention today. They started out quiet too.

Everyone is on guard against the Nazis, but no one is on guard against the left.

The left?

So now all the left are as bad as nazis?

I guess all republicans are nazis too.

Well fire the governor immediately. I knew something smelled fishy. I hate to be right.

ACLU confirms stand down order

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Whodathunkdatcheese

Interesting, observe which group is not getting anyone's attention today. They started out quiet too.

Everyone is on guard against the Nazis, but no one is on guard against the left.

The left?

So now all the left are as bad as nazis?

I guess all republicans are nazis too.

originally posted by: Perfectenemy
Well fire the governor immediately. I knew something smelled fishy. I hate to be right.

ACLU confirms stand down order

Maybe that woman might still be alive if the police had been allowed to arrest the violent Nazi's.

a reply to: luthier

No.

But the poster I responded to was building this up as if this is a totally new thing. It's not. There has always been this small element in America. You agreed with me on this much.

And because everyone knows what the Nazis did and that is embedded in our very pop culture consciousness ... we are all constantly on guard against the Nazis.

But what is less well known is the tactics of the communist left, the social Marxists .., the likes of ANTIFA and other such movements on campus.

Study them and you see a marked similarity to the tactics of the Nazis, but everyone is so keyed up to the people who march around with the trappings of the Nazis and carrying their legacy that they aren't paying attention to the left hand of totalitarianism.

Both are dangerous.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Perfectenemy
Well fire the governor immediately. I knew something smelled fishy. I hate to be right.

ACLU confirms stand down order

Maybe that woman might still be alive if the police had been allowed to arrest the violent Nazi's.

My god. Disgusting.

Probably will say do to the firearms present.

a reply to: Sillyolme

You people are so thick. No one is questioning the governors words. They are questioning his reasoning behind it. The agenda behind this. The fact that BLM and Antifa can stomp and sh1t wherever they please but any opposition against them are labeled rascists and fascists. Absolutely mind numbing.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: luthier

No.

But the poster I responded to was building this up as if this is a totally new thing. It's not. There has always been this small element in America. You agreed with me on this much.

And because everyone knows what the Nazis did and that is embedded in our very pop culture consciousness ... we are all constantly on guard against the Nazis.

But what is less well known is the tactics of the communist left, the social Marxists .., the likes of ANTIFA and other such movements on campus.

Study them and you see a marked similarity to the tactics of the Nazis, but everyone is so keyed up to the people who march around with the trappings of the Nazis and carrying their legacy that they aren't paying attention to the left hand of totalitarianism.

Both are dangerous.

Same with commies/Marxists it's no different we spent years combating Marxism. There were massive political witch hunts.

Personally I am very concerned that Nazis are on the rise and showing up all over normal republican events thinking they fit in somehow. If you want to ignore it and only blame the left that's fine.

I am more concerned with these scumbags associating themselves with ideas from a party I am closer to. The liberals will have to be the ones to reject those marxist ideas.

The right are the people who should say these are not us. And they are. That is why you see Ted Cruz to Lindsey graham condemning them.

a reply to: luthier

You don't understand it?

It was bound to happen with the rise of and wide embracing of identity politics. As soon as everyone got a political voice and identity group based either on race, religion, or sexual orientation, it was only a matter of time before this kind of thing started to happen.

It especially started to happen when the embrace of identity politics came with buzzwords like "white privilege" and "heteronormative" and criticizing and dismissing any perceived criticism of a protected victim group as a "phobia" of some kind or other or a form of racism or bigotry.

It starts to become self-fulfilling prophecy. You create what you seek. Sometimes people start to say, "I'm already going to be called one anyhow. Eff it! Why even bother to be fair about anything anymore and try?"

Then you start to see this.



I think this explains it fairly well.

a reply to: ketsuko

No I don't feel that way.

How far do you go back to who's fault it is? Do you think this stuff happens in a vacuum?

The problem is you want to blame your enemy so badly you can't accept where the privilege game was a response from.

Yes since the beginning we have gone from oppression to over the top forced acceptence. Women's lib went over the top but that doesn't mean it didn't have a valid fight at the beginning. The racial issue was botched after jfk and mlk were killed and Johnson brought in the war on poverty.

Anyway I personally don't blame the left. I just look at them as idiots when they act badly. If a particular group starts using hate in its leadership I condemn them.

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Whodathunkdatcheese

Interesting, observe which group is not getting anyone's attention today. They started out quiet too.

Everyone is on guard against the Nazis, but no one is on guard against the left.

The left?

So now all the left are as bad as nazis?

I guess all republicans are nazis too.

Paging Godwin. Paging Mr. Godwin...

a reply to: luthier

I never said I felt that way, but I do say that's where it comes from in what you are seeing.

Certain groups, and don't pretend you don't see them have taken the racial, religious, orientation far beyond simple equality and rights. Feminists are still fighting their fight today and are going so far overboard that they can't stand to sit next to a man on a train who sits with his knees apart in some cases.

The Nazis in this case are attempting to offer themselves as that voice.

Do we really want to let them become that voice? Or should we maybe back off our racial, ethnic, religious, sexual orientation group victim fest and think about what we are doing and where we are going for a second?

There are a lot who are starting to feel voiceless. Who will speak for them, and do you want to let this group do it or do you want to stop making them the scapegoat to where they feel they need that voice?

a reply to: ketsuko

I do see it. But it's a reaction from oppressed situation. Homosexuals for instance have been actually discriminated for years in employment, schools, even government contracts. As a self defense and wrestling coach in oaklahoma and Texas I was part of an anti bullying aftershcool program. Saw plenty of kids get beaten up. A Trans kid had his orbital broken the year before he started taking martial arts this about 12 years ago before people even used the word Trans.

So you don't pretend like there isn't a reason these issues started either.

Yeah its way over the top. I fully admit it. I make fun of it. It's rediculous.

But it didn't happen as a socialist ploy. It was just taken over by one. They love groups and giving rights based on them.

Maybe if the conservatives had the same principles they did pre Nixon they could have accepted some of these people and tried to actually just right the wrong and not expoit them.

As it is you have concervatives who don't think a gay person deserves rights. They believe a gay should be able to be fired for saying they are gay. Not for disturbing the work place like a key and peele skit just for being gay and saying they have a partner.

I think a lot of bigots are feeling they have no one less to subject as well and they are pissed.

I became a libertarian when I realized republicans were just as much into social engineering as the left. They just use religion instead of left ideas.

originally posted by: luthier
As it is you have concervatives who don't think a gay person deserves rights. They believe a gay should be able to be fired for saying they are gay. Not for disturbing the work place like a key and peele skit just for being gay and saying they have a partner.

Names please. What conservatives are saying that?

a reply to: luthier

As it is you have concervatives who don't think a gay person deserves rights. They believe a gay should be able to be fired for saying they are gay. Not for disturbing the work place like a key and peele skit just for being gay and saying they have a partner.

Really?

I am not aware of many who think this way. I don't think that way, but I do think the law shouldn't allow someone to attempt a suit simply because they get fired and happen to be part of a protected class along with a lousy employee. Is it fair to hold employers hostage like that?

If you have someone who is the worst employee ever at his job and he or she happens to fit into a protected victim class, should you have to worry that he or she will also file a lawsuit if you fire them claiming discrimination? Even if the suit is frivolous, your business's name is pulled through the mud and you pay money to fight it.

As for reasons to start those fights?

Sure there were, I don't see many disagreeing on that one, but at what point do we all agree it's time to let go and move on?

At some point we start looking at not getting justice but moving toward revenge and that feels like where we're headed now and that's a danger and another reason you see these sentiments cropping up.

Again, do you want to let the Nazis be the voice of the voiceless here? No one listens. People are told to shut up and check their privilege all the time now. How much longer will that go on before people claim any voice that will speak for them?