Forbidden archeology Flood myth

originally posted by: Harte
There's evidence of a possible occupation at what is now the northern (underwater) end of the Persian Gulf, IIRC. The gulf used to not extend that far north.

Harte

But were they master goldsmiths? I know of several ancient sites underwater around the world and none involve ancient gold workers (as in the post I was responding to.)

originally posted by: jokei
a reply to: toysforadults

For what it's worth, I always thought the biblical "flood" more likely a tsunami.

I think a metor hit in the persian golf. Tsunami and weather changes caused catatriophic flooding across Mesopotamia, India, persia and Africa leading to the flood storys and a scattering of humans.

There is queit abit for evidence for this as there is a very large crater under the ocean, signs of sudden enviromental shifts in the area and some evidence that parts of the persian gulf where above land.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: jokei
a reply to: toysforadults

For what it's worth, I always thought the biblical "flood" more likely a tsunami.

40 days and 40 nights of rain. About 371 days until the waters receded. Some tsunami!

A metor could really feck # up if it hit. There would be a cataclysmic shift in enviroment.

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
The flood myth is doable mentally but I have yet to figure the long day out .

Supernova.

If it was a nearby star and big enough it could light up the night like day for a few days or even weeks.

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: Harte
There's evidence of a possible occupation at what is now the northern (underwater) end of the Persian Gulf, IIRC. The gulf used to not extend that far north.

Harte

But were they master goldsmiths? I know of several ancient sites underwater around the world and none involve ancient gold workers (as in the post I was responding to.)

While not impossible, there's no evidence of any worked gold artifacts from the site Harte mentioned. The earliest known goldsmitging is in the Varna Necropolis in Bulgaria from the 5th millennia BCE and the dating for the submerged section of the Persian Gulf is approximately 8000 BCE which predates gold smithing by a few thousand years. The major importance of the Persian Gulf inundation site is that it could push back the dates of the first HSS outside of Africa by up to 40 Ka. That in and of itself is a major find. But worked gold... none found as yet.

This was published almost 7 years ago so the info is 8-9 years old but it was the only article I had saved relating to the site. I'm sure it will at least give you a starting point to dig a little deeper. www.sciencedaily.com...

a reply to: InsaneIthorian


If it were a supernova of that size and proximity, there would still be rather obvious evidence ofnit still today which would allow us to have a fairly precise date of said event. Do you have any evidence of a specific stellar event that could be tied in with this? I think it's great that you're looking at providing a scientific based rationale instead of a supernatural one so please don't take my reply as a dig on you.

a reply to: peter vlar
That is a very good queation and one I will have to research when I have time.

Main evidence would be some sort of stellar nebular. Unless it was a large star in which case it would be a blackhole and you wont detect anything unless the conditions are right.

Just wiki stellar nebulae out of intrest and there is a list of nearby star remains and there possible dates of being formed.

Puppis A COULD be a candidate.

originally posted by: peter vlar

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: Harte
There's evidence of a possible occupation at what is now the northern (underwater) end of the Persian Gulf, IIRC. The gulf used to not extend that far north.

Harte

But were they master goldsmiths? I know of several ancient sites underwater around the world and none involve ancient gold workers (as in the post I was responding to.)

While not impossible, there's no evidence of any worked gold artifacts from the site Harte mentioned. The earliest known goldsmitging is in the Varna Necropolis in Bulgaria from the 5th millennia BCE and the dating for the submerged section of the Persian Gulf is approximately 8000 BCE which predates gold smithing by a few thousand years. The major importance of the Persian Gulf inundation site is that it could push back the dates of the first HSS outside of Africa by up to 40 Ka. That in and of itself is a major find. But worked gold... none found as yet.

This was published almost 7 years ago so the info is 8-9 years old but it was the only article I had saved relating to the site. I'm sure it will at least give you a starting point to dig a little deeper. www.sciencedaily.com...

That matches my recollection. Someone else brought up the artifacts and I was skeptical but thought I would be polite and ask where they got the information on the off chance that it might be something new and verifiable.

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: Harte
There's evidence of a possible occupation at what is now the northern (underwater) end of the Persian Gulf, IIRC. The gulf used to not extend that far north.

Harte

But were they master goldsmiths?

How else to repair your atmosphere?

Harte

a reply to: toysforadults
Source. Bible.

Interesting thread.

I've recently read that nanodiamonds and irridium in the earth layers indicate that a large meteor hit the earth about 12000 years ago, somewhere in North America. This may be a plausible explanation for these flood myths - and for the extinction of some species like mamoths.

More recently, the university of Edingburgh found reliefs in the 10.000 year old temple of Gobleki Tepe, apparently referring to this event.

Last but not least, the time of the comet impact coincides with the destruction of Atlantis as described by Plato.

Coincidence?

originally posted by: nononsense35
Interesting thread.

I've recently read that nanodiamonds and irridium in the earth layers indicate that a large meteor hit the earth about 12000 years ago, somewhere in North America. This may be a plausible explanation for these flood myths - and for the extinction of some species like mamoths.

Much discussed here, and pretty improbable. In brief, the data didn't hold up.

It was really not a good concept - you have species dying while similar species of the same size (and econiche) survived. Nor did they all drop dead all at once (mammoths survived until the time of the Egyptian pyramids.

More recently, the university of Edingburgh found reliefs in the 10.000 year old temple of Gobleki Tepe, apparently referring to this event.

...and really debunked by the actual researchers of the site who said something to the effect that if the theorists had actually consulted them they wouldn't have made that mistake.

Last but not least, the time of the comet impact coincides with the destruction of Atlantis as described by Plato.

Off by several thousand years, actually.

a reply to: Byrd

Beat me to it and said it much more diplomatically than I would have haha. I think that the fact that econiche specific mammals were not unilaterally wiped out was a pretty hardcore and indisputable nail in the YD Comet hypothesis. I know there are some who still cling to it rather hard but there are too many inconsistencies for it to pass muster at this point. It was an interesting hypothesis when it came up initially but doesn't hold a lot of water when lining up all of the facts.

And there's about as much physical evidence for a legitimate Atlantis as there is for the biblical Exodus from Egypt. I find it incredibly difficult to reconcile a Nation that kept records of everything but doesn't once mention an entire population of Semitic people held as slaves who managed to escape suddenly and then wandered for 40 years across the Sinai without leaving any physical evidence. But that's a whole separate thread...

originally posted by: peter vlar
a reply to: Byrd

Beat me to it and said it much more diplomatically than I would have haha. I think that the fact that econiche specific mammals were not unilaterally wiped out was a pretty hardcore and indisputable nail in the YD Comet hypothesis. I know there are some who still cling to it rather hard but there are too many inconsistencies for it to pass muster at this point. It was an interesting hypothesis when it came up initially but doesn't hold a lot of water when lining up all of the facts.

And there's about as much physical evidence for a legitimate Atlantis as there is for the biblical Exodus from Egypt. I find it incredibly difficult to reconcile a Nation that kept records of everything but doesn't once mention an entire population of Semitic people held as slaves who managed to escape suddenly and then wandered for 40 years across the Sinai without leaving any physical evidence. But that's a whole separate thread...

Actually the Hyskos are very similar.

Remember the Isralites will put there own spin on the story. But the Hyskos where a sematic people that settled in Eygpt, overbreed and triggered a civil war, after which they got booted out of Eqypt.

The main diffrence in accounts view the Hyskos as invaders and a threat and got evicted and the jews view themselves as innocent victims that wanted to leave.
Such discrepancys would be expected as both sides would write it down with there own spin. The truth likely being somewhat in the middle.

originally posted by: one4all

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: one4all

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: jokei
a reply to: toysforadults

For what it's worth, I always thought the biblical "flood" more likely a tsunami.

40 days and 40 nights of rain. About 371 days until the waters receded. Some tsunami!

Global Continental Displacement waves are catalysed by Continental Drift.....which exposes sea/ocean water to lava.....massive volumes of water are evaporated.....and must come back down.

Say what again? Can you give us some more detail, because I've never heard of 'Global Continental Displacement waves'.

Continental Drift is not new.....when a Continent "drifts" it is drifting upon lava.Like putting an Oreo cookie on top of a bowl of chocolate Jello Pudding then leaving it in the fridge overnight and in the morning gently pushng the Oreo from one end forward ......it will have to break free from the stiff gooey congealed coating on top.....as you gently push it the leading edge will tilt down as the cookie moves forward.....STOP pushing when 1/3 of the Oreo is tilted down and driven under the surface into the soft jello pudding beneath.......then gently push down on the TOP edge of the BACK TRAILING edge of the cookie to make it sit level and straight again.....now.....look down at the bowl.....the parts which are a lighter color and are exposed FRESH non-congealed pudding REFLECT LAVA EXPOSED TO WATER in our Global Continental Displacement Wave template.....do you understand Lobsang?

The cookie is the continent the cookie moves forward and tilts down as it moves driving itself below the horizon line or surface level of the Ocean...this causes a massive displacement wave to run up and over the 1/3 of the cookie which goes down and under when the motion happens....if there were WATER....or milk for more delicious fun.... 1/2 way deep as the cookies height floating upon the congealed crust before we move the cookie our model is much more complete in terms of illuminating the displacement wave itself.

I found this book interesting and in some ways relevant.

www.velikovsky.info...:_The_Science_of_Catastrophe

Teaching your kids the truth about their world is as easy as opening a bag of Oreos and whipping up some Jello-Pudding.....lol.

Of course I've heard of the theory of plate tectonics. It's a very simple yet elegant explanation for the current disposition of the continents. I'd just never heard of this 'displacement wave' theory. It doesn't quite work like that. Subduction is a very slow process.

originally posted by: one4all

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: one4all
Continental Drift is not new.....when a Continent "drifts" it is drifting upon lava.Like putting an Oreo cookie on top of a bowl of chocolate Jello Pudding then leaving it in the fridge overnight and in the morning gently pushng the Oreo from one end forward ......it will have to break free from the stiff gooey congealed coating on top.

I believe you're thinking of plate tectonics and the plates (not continents.) They move very slowly, however - usually around an inch per year but rates vary.

....as you gently push it the leading edge will tilt down as the cookie moves forward

Only one of the plates may subduct. Sometimes they crumple together to form mountains. And of course there are plats that are just scraping past each other, as with the famous San Andreas Fault in California. There's lots of photos (and even places to go) where you can see the movement.

The cookie is the continent the cookie moves forward and tilts down as it moves driving itself below the horizon line or surface level of the Ocean...this causes a massive displacement wave to run up and over the 1/3 of the cookie which goes down and under when the motion happens....

Actually, what's pushed up over the land is more land (a different continental plate.) The continents move so slowly that they can't really form any water waves.

I am clearly saying the Continents slide around at astonomical speeds relative to their size and the pull and release of Nibiru.

They do not "creep"....they travel great distances very quickly.

Simply look at any satellite shots of the continents...all of them show the materials washed off of them last time Nibiru "came a calling".......they show a clear leading edge and a clear trailing debris field....you cant miss it....and you can see which direction and in what order every continent moved.

No, this is incorrect. Plate tectonics is a slow process.

originally posted by: murphy22
a reply to: toysforadults
Source. Bible.

The bible is not an authoritative source on anything. It's a religious document with political overtones written by an Iron Age/Classical Age people to try and explain the world around them.

The Bible sets a firm date for the the Flood... 2370 BC. What does the Bristlecone pine tree ring core data say about this date?

originally posted by: TheChrome
The Bible sets a firm date for the the Flood... 2370 BC. What does the Bristlecone pine tree ring core data say about this date?

You don't need bristlecone pine tree ring data to tell that that date is a load of fetid dingoes kidneys. The Fifth Dynasty in Egypt continues to rule after that date, and it's also the period of the Early Dynastic Period in Mesopotamia. No flood.

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101
There is never really much mention of the deluge from the Quran/ Islamic's perspective. Muslims also believe in a great deluge, that was more region specific rather than engulfing most of the inhabited worlds.

Why would there be - islam is only about 1300 years old. There exist glass salad bowls 700 years older than that.