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Trump vows ‘insurance for everybody’ in Obamacare replacement plan

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posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 03:29 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Pre-obamacare my premium was $230/mo. So that was the cost of all those who couldn't pay. Post obamacare my premium is $320/month. So why the increase? mean, if more people are buying in and paying their own way then why are my prices going up?




posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 03:30 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

How so? Do you think the insurance companies are going to leave prices as is? What's to stop everyone in the US from buying insurance from the cheapest state?

The insurance companies like their record profits. They're not going to risk those just because they can "compete across state lines."



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 03:32 PM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Pre-obamacare my premium was $230/mo. So that was the cost of all those who couldn't pay. Post obamacare my premium is $320/month. So why the increase? mean, if more people are buying in and paying their own way then why are my prices going up?

I really can't tell you the intricacies of the economics at play that caused the rates to go up. I CAN say that they've looked into the data around these rate increases versus the way the rates were increasing pre-ACA and it has been determined that things would have been a LOT worse for your insurance rates without Obamacare.
The truth about healthcare premiums: They'd be a lot higher without Obamacare



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 03:32 PM
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a reply to: Alien Abduct

As far as I can tell, the plan on Trump's website is not the current plan he is talking about. If it is then there is no way in hell it is giving insurance to everybody.



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 03:34 PM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

And when I was a kid candy cost a nickel. If there are more people buying candy now why has the price gone up?



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 03:43 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Linking to a political newspaper (right or left leaning, doesn't matter) to explain an economic issue is not the best way to understand the truth.

The S&P Global Institute, a study from the University of Pennsylvania, as well as a Yale University study disagree with the political newspaper.
Yale Study
S&P Global Analysis
University of Pennsylvania Study

All of these studies conclude that the ACA has caused more drastic increases and that without it, costs would be much lower.



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 03:45 PM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254

You're joking right? You're comparing a generational price change (inflation) to a 40% increase in 3 years (hyperinflation)?



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 03:47 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: xuenchen

How so? Do you think the insurance companies are going to leave prices as is? What's to stop everyone in the US from buying insurance from the cheapest state?

The insurance companies like their record profits. They're not going to risk those just because they can "compete across state lines."


"across state lines" isn't limited to one company or one specific policy.

or is it?




posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 04:02 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Really this sums it up. Obamacare went into full effect in 2014 (a few provisions started in 2012-2013). Now take a look at individual pricing. Can you honestly tell me that you don't believe obamacare is at least partly responsible for this increase?


S&P Premium Chart
edit on 16-1-2017 by Dfairlite because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 04:21 PM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
Sure he's nearing completion.
Just another lie from the constant liar.
The original took years to hammer out. But trump the magnificent has solved the problems before he's even taken office.
Lies lies and more lies. Lol what a joke..
Hey you guys wanted him.
Lol
Here ya go.


It doesn't matter one bit to me who fixes health care as long as it gets done. I do find it funny though that Trump keeps describing elements of single payer and his constituents are going along with it because he hasn't actually said the words "single payer".



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 04:24 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan

What elements of single payer (which isn't single payer) does he keep describing? I've yet to hear anything about single payer or anything that even sounds like single payer. "Healthcare for all" is very vague, obama used it to describe obamacare.



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 04:37 PM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Linking to a political newspaper (right or left leaning, doesn't matter) to explain an economic issue is not the best way to understand the truth.

The S&P Global Institute, a study from the University of Pennsylvania, as well as a Yale University study disagree with the political newspaper.
Yale Study
S&P Global Analysis
University of Pennsylvania Study

All of these studies conclude that the ACA has caused more drastic increases and that without it, costs would be much lower.

Don't you think that a report written in 2016 would be a bit more telling of the situation than reports written in 2014 that were highly speculative on a law that was barely in effect? Also, my article did link to a study. Feel free to analyze the data posted on it if you feel it isn't true.



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 04:52 PM
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And finally we see the true Socialist in Trump.

I've been saying for donkey's years that your Government needs to be dictating to BigPharma, not the other way around.

I think I was told that's "utopian drivel"...



Can't wait to see how this pans out.

Either Trump is a lame duck, who fails to bring congress to the table, as was forewarned...
Or he manages to be the most Liberal President ever, another gem people guffawed at.


Interesting.



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 04:53 PM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Really this sums it up. Obamacare went into full effect in 2014 (a few provisions started in 2012-2013). Now take a look at individual pricing. Can you honestly tell me that you don't believe obamacare is at least partly responsible for this increase?


S&P Premium Chart

Of course I'm not denying that Obamacare was to blame for increases. It isn't perfect. No one EVER tried to claim that. I'm just pointing out that what we have now isn't as bad as it would have been without it. I remember the 2000's, rate increase woes were MUCH worse than this. They were teaching me about health insurance rate hike methodology in high school in 2003. It wasn't pretty at all.



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 05:08 PM
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originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: enlightenedservant

The majority of people seem to not understand the part Congress plays and just ignore their failures.

Florida reelected Rubio after all the talk of his failure there. Nothing really changes.


Yep. In fact, according to Gallup (HERE), Congress' approval rating hasn't been above 20% since October of 2012. But 97% of the members of the House of Representatives who were up for reelection got reelected anyway! And 90% of the US Senators who were up for reelection got reelected! (Both found here.)

So why would Congress give a crap about popular opinion when it literally has no effect on their reelection rates?



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 05:17 PM
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originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: gmoneystunt

Insurance for everybody? Well, that's what Obamacare is trying to do so why get rid of it? Oh right, they don't like Obama because reasons so it has to go. Fun fact, Obamacare is very similar to health coverage former GOP'ers wanted to enact in the past so it's funny to see them now say how much they don't like it.

But at the end of the day, Trump has no plan and millions will be given the middle finger because of partisan politics.


I think the Republicans wanted to go the direction of a voucher program which would be significantly different than Obama Care. Ok, so we need to work with 20 million Americans to ensure their health coverage, what about the other 300 million who really do not need Obamacare but it has cost them a great deal anyways, with myself being one of those?



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 05:20 PM
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originally posted by: enlightenedservant

Yep. In fact, according to Gallup (HERE), Congress' approval rating hasn't been above 20% since October of 2012. But 97% of the members of the House of Representatives who were up for reelection got reelected anyway! And 90% of the US Senators who were up for reelection got reelected! (Both found here.)

So why would Congress give a crap about popular opinion when it literally has no effect on their reelection rates?


Makes you wonder about those polls, doesn't it? Hillary was the winner for a very long time with polls up until about 3 hours before the voting was closed.
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posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 05:22 PM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant

Congressional approval isn't really congressional approval. It's more approval of the political system in general. People wouldn't keep electing their congressman if they didn't like what they were doing. That chart is telling though. Shortly after the iraq war debacle congress' approval ratings began a descent they haven't recovered from.

ETA:
it looks like they're bottoming out though. We may see congress return to the historical norm of 30-40% approval.
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posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 05:24 PM
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Let's just hope his promise of 'universal healthcare' is just placating the left.

It does make sense, government subsidies destroyed the healthcare industry, then Obamcare came and more government subsidies obliterated it. Now comes the answer with total government control of healthcare.

No thanks.



posted on Jan, 16 2017 @ 05:26 PM
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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: network dude

Trump's word means nothing. He routinely says one thing and then backtracks later.

And more importantly, Presidents don't pass this kind of legislation; Congress does! I don't know why so many people give the 535 members of Congress a pass on this stuff. They're the only ones who can pass or repeal a national healthcare system. So Trump's words & ideas on this are literally worthless if Congress doesn't write them into law and pass them in both the House of Representatives and the Senate. That's why it's more important to pay attention to the healthcare plans of members of Congress like Paul Ryan and Rand Paul, seeing as those are the ones with the best chance of actually becoming law.


Yea, proved my point. You seem as if you will be giddy if he fails. And you just don't seem to grasp that if he doesn't fail, you win. Liberal minds are so #ing tiny it's sad. Give the guy enough rope to hang himself BEFORE the pitchforks are out. He has just said something he can't take back. And sadly, you boneheads are too wrapped up in hate to see that.

If he can't deliver, he will be EXACTLY what you think of him now. But if not, you will all need to collectively pull your heads from where they currently reside.

1. Your insults are weak. If you're going to call me out, try a little harder next time, ok?

2. Of course I want him to fail at most of the things he campaigned on. That should be common sense. His idea of success will be the opposite of my idea of success. Only a fool would blindly following someone who openly opposes everything you care about.

For example, I want his pledge to introduce "stop & frisk" policies into all inner cities to fail. I want his pledge to appoint a hardcore conservative to the Supreme Court to fail. I want his idea to create new Muslim-specific databases and surveillance programs to fail. I want his pledge to deport immigrants & set up immigration patrols in Latina/Latino communities to fail. I want his pledge to ban Muslim immigrants to fail, his idiotic idea of adding tariffs to goods produced in Mexico to fail, and his plan to basically dismantle the EPA to fail.

I also want the Republicans' stated goals of overturning "Roe v Wade" & repealing the ACA/Obamacare to fail (unless they replace it with "Medicare for All", a public option healthcare plan, or true single payer healthcare). There are quite a lot of other political positions where I want them to fail as well (like defunding Planned Parenthood & continuing to gut social programs). Do you know why? Because I'm also an American citizen and I think their policies will cause more harm than good to my country.

I'm fully aware that some of the things they claim to want will indeed get implemented. And I'd prefer they get waste all of their time & political capital trying to build and fund the Great Wall of Trump, leaving them no time to screw up anything else. But that won't stop me from opposing them at every single step anyway.

In fact, that's something I learned from the right wing. I watched conservatives, Republicans, and the Tea Party oppose President Obama at every single turn. And I watched them get rewarded for it at the State and local level, and now at the federal level. There's no way you or any right winger would be giving Hillary a chance right now and we all know it. Such hypocrites! You try to hold us to standards that you don't even follow, and then wonder why there's no compromising going on.
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