Moderate Leftists Must Rise Up And Oppose Their Radical Marxist Counterparts

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Ok. That's it. I can't stand talking to you anymore. This # is going nowhere, is insulting, and you can't take a hint to expand on your points. I bid you good day before I get infracted.

Here we go again.....

You US folks really need to get out of your country and have a look around.

Your concept of left/right and the respective behaviour of each is just nuts and that's me being polite......

Democratic Socialism differs from Socialism only in how the socialist government is formed.

Democratic Socialism is the use of democracy to implement Socialism.

Rather than totalitarian decisions being made to implement socialism, the masses are first lied to and coerced into electing their freedom away in favor of socialism.

It requires an uninformed electorate to achieve the goals of 'Democratic' Socialism.

a reply to: TrueBrit

You fear and distrust socialism because you have been programmed to, not because it is a toxic concept, but because you have swallowed too much poison to even act in your own defence against the corporatist idiocracy that is growing up around your feet.

There is an argument to be had that the USA is, in fact, the actual embodiment of what Socialism wants to be. Think of all those separate states for a moment. Think of that population, similar to Europe. Think of the sheer size of the endeavour and the success it has had, basically, by hard work.

People looked after the less fortunate in the past, our societies, both British and American held these fundamental attitudes as virtues.

Then look at it now, and how it is disintegrating socially.

It isn't that America doesn't get socialism, it got it fine whilst it held true the values of "Work hard, play hard, be successful".

America, and the whole world is being torn apart not by politics, but by the hyper rich, who refuse to relinquish one iota of their power and wealth.

a reply to: Jonjonj

It's true. People no longer like Robin Hood.

a reply to: GodEmperor

That's funny. Countries that embrace Democratic Socialism outrank the US in education. Not only that but things like healthcare, freedom of press, happiness, quality of life, etc. Pretty much the only two categories the US takes first in are defense spending and number of incarcerated.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

"Education" and "intelligence" are relative. These days, if one can regurgitate what is 'known', they are called "intelligent".

originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: Jonjonj

It's true. People no longer like Robin Hood.

But for some of us there still remains the pleasure we get from helping somebody less fortunate out, not because politiks!, but because it is warm and fuzzy, right?

Egotistical I know, but anyway.

a reply to: chadderson

And the philosophy behind the education system is rote learning. Things like SOLs and No Child Left Behind have crippled the US education system. Teachers don't teach critical thinking. They teach you how to pass a multiple choice test. Because if they don't they lose their job.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: chadderson

And the philosophy behind the education system is rote learning. Things like SOLs and No Child Left Behind have crippled the US education system. Teachers don't teach critical thinking. They teach you how to pass a multiple choice test. Because if they don't they lose their job.

I have been begging for this for ages. If a child has problems with certain subjects then of course, try your best to resolve that, but when it becomes clear that they simply can not get it, move on to something more suited.

Some kids are not good at maths, don't insist, find something they ARE good at, focus on that.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Ok. That's it. I can't stand talking to you anymore. This # is going nowhere, is insulting, and you can't take a hint to expand on your points. I bid you good day before I get infracted.

Try not to bid good day to the truth in your quest to protect your feelings.

I am a moderate. Not a moderate leftist. Just a moderate. Meaning I am in the middle politically most of the time. I find both the extreme left and the extreme right ridiculous.

So technically speaking, based on how it seems the OP defines right/left, I am a little to the right of the people he is trying to reach with his message.

So I can just imagine what the intended audience thought. Because the opening post/manifesto was just a long winded way of saying.....

If we kill you its your fault.

a reply to: GodEmperor

This isn't the first call for regular people, who aren't anything like radical nutjobs to oppose the nutjobs more vehemently than others.

Why should leftists have any more responsibility for this than centrists or (rightests?)

I still can't figure out why regular, ordinary Joe (or ordinary Mohammed I guess) Muslims are supposed to speak up against violent crazies from the same wide overall umbrella religion.

Should normal Republicans hold more responsibility for shouting down their Neocon counterparts?

In any of these cases, would they be more effective acts? I don't see how or why. I think opponents of any of these groups (or any others) hey frustrated trying to convince the crazies, so they think someone with some beliefs somewhat in common should shoulder the responsibility.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
...I bet you even think the Nazis were lefties, don't you?...

Speaking of Nazis: You're welcome. We are very sincerely gratified to have saved your bacon from them.

Sadly we we weren't able to prevent your proclivity for Evil Empire building from infecting our own national structure---and that's a shame I freely admit. Some of us are working on it, however. We'll see how it goes.

It's a shame. imo, that you let yourselves be de-armed---you are totally at the mercy of your masters. Reach down and see if you have any bollocks left, eh?

Having said that, we do mutually agree on some of your assertions although I think the OP has a much better grasp of meeting in the middle and just saying NO to the artificial division and irresponsible idiocy of the extremes on both sides. Peace.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Provide me the list of countries, and I will tear your argument apart.

I already know what countries you have in mind, and I already know they are not democratic socialist countries.

a reply to: dogstar23

Should normal Republicans hold more responsibility for shouting down their Neocon counterparts?

Yes.

It is already assumed the opposition will condemn the actions of the radicals from the other party. The responsibility is on every group to weed out the radicals, and show that the crazies are not the rule, but the exception.

Do you think a Christian condemning the actions of radical elements within another religion has any impact? What about the majority of moderates of the same religion, do you think they would have more power in creating change?

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: GodEmperor

That's funny. Countries that embrace Democratic Socialism outrank the US in education. Not only that but things like healthcare, freedom of press, happiness, quality of life, etc. Pretty much the only two categories the US takes first in are defense spending and number of incarcerated.

Settle down. American whites have the same scores as Germans in PISA scores.
Lets compare apples to apples not a mixed basket with apples. 
When comparing Asian americans to east asian countries we have another match, oranges to oranges.

If you can find a data set of american finns and swedes I'd bet they'd match their kin in europe.

originally posted by: GodEmperor
a reply to: dogstar23

Should normal Republicans hold more responsibility for shouting down their Neocon counterparts?

Yes.

It is already assumed the opposition will condemn the actions of the radicals from the other party. The responsibility is on every group to weed out the radicals, and show that the crazies are not the rule, but the exception.

Do you think a Christian condemning the actions of radical elements within another religion has any impact? What about the majority of moderates of the same religion, do you think they would have more power in creating change?

Fair enough, I agree with the logic. The difference in how I see it to how its often presented is that I don't see it as an obligation, but more of an "it would really help if the (non-extremist counterparts of whatever group) would speak up."

Doing so should be seen as a welcome and helpful voluntary act by those who freely choose to do so. After all, in some of these cases, people could be risking anything from their livelihoods to their very lives.

*shakes head*

The vast majority of leftists are not crazy nut-jobs

If I may , lets change that statement a bit
A large portion of the Democratic Party are not "leftists" nor "nut-jobs" . They are the original " True Blue" Dems.The problem comes with the advent of the Progressive Liberals that call themselves Democrat. They are not. However , the Democratic politicians embrace this type only for the vote. Most dont agree at all , but speak the words the politicians believe that they want to hear . Something like the Tea Party and Republicans once upon a time.
The best example of this is the current election . States once considered blue , turned red big-time. Thr reason was the statement above.
Either the Democratic Party removes themselves somewhat from the Progressive Liberal side , or they face more defeats. For many years.