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Moderate Leftists Must Rise Up And Oppose Their Radical Marxist Counterparts

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posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 12:08 AM
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a reply to: Gothmog

Well,today was a good day for Republicans. Because today they smiled and told poor people how defunding pp and Obamacare is going to be good for them. Not sure how jobs are coming from that. Same old same old from conservatives, next a recession and escalation of attacks and war.




posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 02:18 AM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Krazysh0t



This is why the form of Socialism in this country is called Democratic Socialism. And you are lying if you are trying to suggest that the Socialism that the left is pushing isn't the same Democratic Socialism that I'm talking about that has existed in the country for some time now.

The only difference between then and now is that we FINALLY have a politician with the balls to come out with the Socialist label. Before they just hid these Socialist policies behind capitalist rhetoric or down played the fact that it was really Socialism because Socialism ='s Communism to FAR too many brainwashed Americans. But he didn't get elected.


Social democracy is not the same as democratic socialism, something that Sanders never figured out. It may have been brave, but equally as stupid that Sanders called himself a Democratic Socialist, and you as an obedient follower are wrong for suggesting any kind of socialism after the spectacular failures of socialism throughout history. No, there is no Democratic Socialism in the US, and probably not in the entire world, but your insistence on including the socialist label is ridiculous. Again, social democracy is not the same as democratic socialism, and you, like Sanders, have the terms backwards, and in so doing have mistakenly embraced socialism in your error.


Not that often I agree with LeMis but here I think he is correct. Democratic Socalism and Social Democracy are very different animals in political theory.

Sanders as far as I understand it is basically a Social Democrat, so that he and political comentarors used the term Democratic Socialist is a bit strange.



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 03:20 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: dashen

The looney tooney result of ritalin in the school system is now reeeeeeeeeing its ugly head in the form of SJW and Lefty Wingnuts, who almost gave us madame president killary.


And the right needs to stop talking like this if they want to reach out to the left.

By the way, most of the people who wanted Hillary were the moderates. The real "lefty wingnuts" (like me) wanted the socialist Bernie.


Know what's funnier? You looney far leftist who wanted burnie generally liked Paul as an option, which tells me we have a lot more in community n than we think.....

It's my opinion the moderates who wanted Clinton had more in common on a basic level w trump supporters, maybe that sounds wierd

Bernie for all the policy I didn't agree w, I think generally loves the country but moreover loves the PEOPLE!
I don't feel the man was corrupt at his core....

In summation I agree w you completely

Much love,
You're radical conservative crazy brother in arms



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 04:02 AM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: GodEmperor

That all sounds good. But, the right own the next four years.


If only the left had had the time for it during the last oh let's say .. 8 years.



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 04:39 AM
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originally posted by: AMNicks
a reply to: kaylaluv

Granted.

I live in UK, Considered the forefront of multiculturalism in the western world (the whole world too)

What a mess this place is! Fear, hate and never seen before separation between communities!

There is no peace or acceptance here towards Christianity or the "white" population.

We accepted cultures! There was never any discrimination!

But once the media spun their web, and the government forced restrictions to "make it more accepting" people pushed further away!



I read posts like this and I wonder.

I'm white, middle class, middle aged, London born and bred.

I'm not a Christian but I volunteer for a local church.

I do not recognise this version of the UK.

Accepted cultures? I remember the open racism of the seventies and eighties and have seen it creeping back over the last ten years.

No acceptance of the white population? I remember when we could fly the Union Flag and the St George's Cross and we still can. On our cars, our numberplates, over my church, over local businesses, on the little one's climbing frame.

I remember when the church was full of Irish worshippers, then it was empty, then it filled up again with Poles. Oh, hang on, they're white. They must have the same culture as us only they don't or somethkng.

I remember when Muslim kids played footie in the street with everyone else. They still do, but in the park because kids don't play in the street any more.

No acceptance of Christianity? Have you missed how Christmas now starts on the 1st of November and is absolutely and overwhelming in your face for much longer than even ten years ago? Was it Islam that relegated Easter to the second division of festivals? The foreigners in the government in the eighties that passed the Sunday trading laws? BBC radio stull runs services in the afternoon and prayers.

We're not perfect but we're nowhere near the dystopia you suggest.

Some of the Detroit neighbourhoods I've been to, on the other hand...
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posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 04:43 AM
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originally posted by: GodEmperor
Democratic Socialism differs from Socialism only in how the socialist government is formed.

Democratic Socialism is the use of democracy to implement Socialism.

Rather than totalitarian decisions being made to implement socialism, the masses are first lied to and coerced into electing their freedom away in favor of socialism.

It requires an uninformed electorate to achieve the goals of 'Democratic' Socialism.


No.

It's about the mechanisms of governance, not the way they gain power.



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 04:44 AM
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a reply to: Whodathunkdatcheese

Precisely.

All these persecution complexes amount to a bunch of whining. I have no time for any of them.



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 07:02 AM
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a reply to: Whodathunkdatcheese

Democratic socialism is the use of democracy in achieving 'social' (government) control of the means of production.

I'm not going to argue more semantics on how an individual wants to define certain terms, this is the most generally accepted and most accurate term.

It's the non-violent avenue for creating a socialist state, rather than violent coups or revolutions. It takes a very indoctrinated population to willingly vote away their freedom.



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 08:12 AM
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a reply to: GodEmperor
For someone who claims to bridge the divide as it were with understanding, you sure spend a whole lot of time blaming one half of the country for all of its problems. You basically contradict your notion in the first two sentences:

The Left is sending America down a very dark and dangerous path. The vast majority of leftists are not crazy nut-jobs,

You blame "the Left" which is a blanket statement, followed by some flimsy means of redaction to a mere minority. If you really wish to create an 'outreach' of sorts, try not ostracizing an entire swathe of the political spectrum for most of your post.

Extremists on both ends are the problem. The right wing and left wing meet at their extremes; a circle would be a better representation of politics than a straight line.





originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
It's my opinion the moderates who wanted Clinton had more in common on a basic level w trump supporters, maybe that sounds wierd

Right? Authoritarian Trumpists and Authoritarian Clintonists are virtually indistinguishable. Those of us in the center are stuck on an island. The waters to the extreme right hate me because I believe in universal health care and that the wealthy are no better than the poor. The extreme left waters hate me for conservative spending and owning a firearms collection. It's absurd.



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 08:19 AM
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a reply to: AMNicks

I live in the UK too, where's this seperation like? Don't see any difference round here and we're amongst the poorest about.

Please don't point me at the media, personal opinion will suffice.

I do agree that the US has more rights on free speech however.



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 08:33 AM
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a reply to: SargonThrall

Maybe I don't fall into the proper political point on the spectrum for any meaningful dialogue.

If one was to look at a map of the presidential election, and note the areas which went to Hillary, and areas which went to Trump. Then consider where the vast majority of societal upheaval, crime, poverty, violence, et al are concentrated.

Conservatives have some serious issues that need addressed, injecting their religious beliefs into policy decisions. Those policy decisions have yet to produce widespread rioting and violent, mostly inconveniences such as late-term abortions and prohibition of marijuana.

There are trends that can be blamed on conservatives for violence, such as hate crimes against Muslims. Those trends pale in comparison to the level of violence stoked by the left recently.

Major cities, urban democrat strongholds, saw triple digit increase in violent crimes since 2014. We want to minimize every aspect of injustice, starting with the largest problems first. It's called prioritizing.



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 11:03 AM
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originally posted by: yorkshirelad
Here we go again.....

You US folks really need to get out of your country and have a look around.

Your concept of left/right and the respective behaviour of each is just nuts and that's me being polite......
go ahead and be polite for sure! The rest of the world embraced socialism even after the fall of the Berlin Wall it just appears in different forms so please don't apologize to us capitalist Yankees.



posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 11:07 AM
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a reply to: GodEmperor. Well it's pretty sad if there's going to be rioting over the right to late term abortions and pot! I'm
Sorry but one of those is population control and the other is dumbing down the populace and making them too passive to fight the Nephilim agenda!
In my opinion late term abortion is not necessarily a religious outlook though probably a bit existentialist which shows how far down our society has gone concerning reverence for life.
Certain other elements are relatively fringe still though the Far Left has gone out of their way in normalizing certain ideologies and behavior. Now we have people claiming that there's nothing at all wrong with people stacking cutting and torturing a mentally disabled person for political expediency.... How utterly sad it is. They are morally and politically wrong and hypocrites because we all know they claimed it was racist to oppose the Marxist ideology of the Marxist in Chief!!!!!
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posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 11:29 AM
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originally posted by: SargonThrall
a reply to: GodEmperor
For someone who claims to bridge the divide as it were with understanding, you sure spend a whole lot of time blaming one half of the country for all of its problems. You basically contradict your notion in the first two sentences:

The Left is sending America down a very dark and dangerous path. The vast majority of leftists are not crazy nut-jobs,

You blame "the Left" which is a blanket statement, followed by some flimsy means of redaction to a mere minority. If you really wish to create an 'outreach' of sorts, try not ostracizing an entire swathe of the political spectrum for most of your post.

Extremists on both ends are the problem. The right wing and left wing meet at their extremes; a circle would be a better representation of politics than a straight line.





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Being in the so called middle does not necessarily make you more right than the rest. Right now the health care is more messed up than ever and if by universal health care you mean that half the country pays higher premiums to make up the difference and that we must also pay for illegals than you would be buying to the insane idea of socialism that is the utopian model designed by Marx which does not work. As for authouritarian, if you think that cutting illegal immigration is authoritarian than you perhaps didn't know it was a Democrat socialist President who cut off even legal immigration to a certain limit. I love it when the Left criticizes the Right for using their very own policies.
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posted on Jan, 6 2017 @ 04:30 PM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: GodEmperorYou are an anti-social nation, full of self interested policy, with built in distrust of anything that is not selfish, greed based, any system of application of worth not based in financial things, as opposed to a value system based on greater notions.


There there

Greed, you say? I say: lack of mathematical skills.

48.2 percent of the American people voted in favour of ms Clinton
46.1 percent of the American people voted in favour of mr Trump

So, to me, applying logic and some basic democratic principles, the outcome of such an election should have been that ms Clinton would be the next president, and that mr Trump, being an impressive runner upper, should have been elected second in command (vice president I guess). And of course, given that both represent roughly half of the nation, their most important task would be to find the third way (read your Covey).

But no, the runner-up wins and the candidate that actually won is simply removed from the premises.

Tribal rule. Nothing to do with democracy.



posted on Jan, 7 2017 @ 10:06 AM
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a reply to: ForteanOrg

So basically, you're saying you're fine with Southern California, New York, and Chicago running politics for the whole country?

Never going to happen.

We are the United STATES of America.

Not the United POPULATION of America.

The States are all Equal, and the Federal Government is meant to be secondary to The State Governments. This is why we have a Senate (States rights) and a House (People's representatives) and a President elected by the States. The People are represented by their State government, and the Federal government represents the STATES.

We're a Republic. In no way shape or form are we a Mob ruled Democracy.

I'm very thankful for that.
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posted on Jan, 7 2017 @ 10:13 AM
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a reply to: GodEmperor

Obviously you don't know any liberals.

Your post is so hyperbolic and removed from reality that it sounds terribly dramatic and fiction based.

Most liberals support middle of the road views like Medicare, Social Security, Unemployment, Gay rights, civil rights
affordable housing, affordable education, higher wages and larger incomes for the less wealthy.

I have actually NEVER EVER met a Marxist, it's really funny actually because I have associated with liberals my whole life, and I just realized that fact. I really wonder why you people are so willing to believe stuff that is so inaccurate and divorced from reality.



posted on Jan, 7 2017 @ 11:18 AM
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a reply to: banjobrain

Much as with Donald Trump, it is futile to concern yourself with the distortions of reality or with the outright lies. These people are inherently transgressive and long ago stopped being concerned with objective reality in the weaving of their narratives. It is wiser to instead concern yourself with the logical ends of their lies and distortions. Where does the arrow point? It consistently points to violence. A need to oppress, destroy, murder those they vilify on the left. Race wars. Genocides. They all dance around the thing in their own ways, some more clever than others. But the modern far-right has a fundamentally violent and destructive ideology. A poor soul was tortured by four young black adults and instead of saying "Thank God they are in custody, let's take care of the victim and figure out what in the world they were thinking when they did this," the overwhelming response on ATS amounts to hints of impending racial violence wherein whites retaliate against blacks generally for the actions of these four. An absurd conspiracy theory called #PizzaGate is cultivated by extremist Trump supporters and all rational thought is thrown out the window with wild abandon; it is understood that the ends (of villifying Democratic rivals) justify the means (of inventing horrific fiction that has clear potential to hurt bystanders; see the fellow who showed up at Comet with a rifle). It is much like climate denialism and creationism. The Gish Gallop is employed broadly -- a tactic that relies on a sheer volume of claims at the expense of the integrity of any one of those claims. These people are concerned with reinforcing one another's biases and with developing a compelling narrative that justifies violence against people they find distasteful. The OP is the fatherly "don't make me do this, you know that it hurts me more than it hurts you" version of this. Throughout this website you'll find many cruder versions, e.g. people "can't wait to start Doorkickin'". Observe where the arrow points and consider that if you're in the United States, it's a good time to avail yourself of your second amendment rights. It is better to have and not need.



posted on Jan, 7 2017 @ 11:56 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: AMNicks
a reply to: kaylaluv

By Canada you mean Montreal?


And Vancouver and Toronto and Edmonton and Ottawa and Winnipeg and every other metropolitan area, which is where you typically see multiculturalism in other countries. In Canada, it seems to work pretty well (with only few exceptions).

Hahaha!
Canada?
Multiculturalism?
Have you looked at the census data for Canada?
They are one of the least multicultural nations in the west.
America has more ethnic diversity.
86% of the population of Canada is white!
Linky
But by all means continue with your virtue signaling.
Oh Canada!



posted on Jan, 7 2017 @ 12:17 PM
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a reply to: JAY1980

Look at Toronto. Look at Vancouver. What are the percentages in the larger metropolitan areas? Hmmm? And that was back in 2006. Wonder what those percentages are now? How much do you hear about problems with minorities in Vancouver and Toronto? Hmmm?




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