a reply to: onequestion
Mods this is not a rant it is a social issue that I have personally observed and would like to start a discussion on.
It doesn't cease to be a rant because you say, "this is not a rant." Your topic is, "Race and gender equality is a lie" which is a pretty rant-y
statement of opinion using unqualified terms which make the whole thing rather nebulous.
What you're ranting about is not "equality" at all but rather positive discrimination. In the US, this is typically referred to as Affirmative
. That term comes from an EO issued by JFK in the early 60's which required government contractors to diversify their employees. These
positive discrimination efforts became a thing during the Civil Rights Era as a solution to a very real issue — namely, that in 1959, the average
employed black male made about 57% of what the average employed white male made and the median income for the average non-white family was 52% of that
of the average white family. This is essentially where things had stalled since WWII (after modest gains over nearly a hundred years since
emancipation with a temporary downturn during the Great Depression).
Do you believe that in 1959, the reason that black men only made 57% of what white men made is because white men some how deserved
nearly double what the average black man made?
I sincerely hope that you do not. It's therefore safe to say that merit has never had much to do with employment opportunity
, particularly in
terms of white males vs everyone else. So then you have to ask yourself why this situation existed and put yourself in the place of a man like JFK and
ask yourself, "how the hell do we get to equal opportunity when part of the population has been deliberately less than equal
At any rate, positive discrimination efforts were intended to be (relatively) short term efforts to catch up non-whites and females to the white male.
So I think that you completely misunderstand what you're talking about because of your temporally narrow view of the subject — that is, you're
neither taking into account the actual state of things when these efforts were begun nor are you considering that they were never/are never intended
to last indefinitely. In a "perfect world," there would be no such thing as "positive discrimination" but in a perfect world, there wouldn't have been
discrimination to counteract in the first place. Part of the problem in my opinion, is that the bottom fell out of blue collar employment in
manufacturing less than a decade and a half later.
But hey, you've got it all figured out — at least enough that you re comfortable making strong statements about what is and what isn't "a lie" —
so maybe instead of simply offering a poorly thought out critique of solutions that have been attempted, you could offer up something better?
Looking at the history of employment in the US, it's apparent that whenever employment has taken a downturn, it disproportionately affects non-whites
and females in general. I can post all the relevant statistics if you require.
In my opinion, the only way to ever fix this ongoing issue (and make no mistake, it is ongoing) will be to change the employment paradigm to account
for deindustrialization. In other words, we need more employment opportunity for everyone.