McDonald's Says its Wage Hikes Are Improving Service

a reply to: TerryDon79

If the job isn't worth anything then how are they profiting 530 million dollars?

Do you even think before you type?

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: TerryDon79

If the job isn't worth anything then how are they profiting 530 million dollars?

Do you even think before you type?

The business is worth that. The job of flipping burgers isn't. 2 different things.

a reply to: TerryDon79

The business can't and won't exist without employees they are entitled to the money not the shareholders.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: TerryDon79

The business can't and won't exist without employees they are entitled to the money not the shareholders.

Says you.

How many of those shareholders are also on low income? So you'd want to take money away from someone who's on possibly less than the burgerflipper to pay the burgerflipper?

That seems fair.

ETA: Before you hark on about them not being able to afford shares.....McDonald's share price at end of business today was 128.83USD. That's affordable.

a reply to: onequestion

I think it's strange that the stock market turns every business, essentially, into a only slightly more respectable casino located in a slightly better neighborhood.

The bottom line problem is greed and a gross misunderstanding of what makes a human valuable.

I believe it's called knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing.

Everyone should pull their weight and contribute to life as they are able, of course. But, people are valuable because they are people. The idea that human life is sacrosanct remains so entirely foreign to the current mindset that it might as well be gibberish when mentioned aloud.

a reply to: TerryDon79

Damn strait because the burger flipper is actually producing the value.

Your priorities are messed up.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: TerryDon79

Damn strait because the burger flipper is actually producing the value.

Your priorities are messed up.

Actually, no.

Without the business there would be no need for burger flippers.

The job available is the result of the business existing, not the other way round.

a reply to: SisterDelirium

They are clueless mouth breathers who are arrogant in their perspective and think that because somehow they are doing a more skillful job that other people are worth nothing.

It's a gross injustice and in my opinion part of a new paradigm of thinking that's recent to the last 20 years.

Once upon a time people in this country used to appreciate a good meal and appreciate someone ho worked hard to put food on the table.

Those days are gone we are now fighting against selfish narcissist.

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: Bedlam
Some jobs are not worth making a living wage. They are for learning how to work. It's a kid's job.

Let's put this personal opinion that people try to tout as fact to rest.

Why are these jobs that are intended for kids open during school hours? When have they EVER operated ONLY when kids aren't in school?

They never have. Kinda hard to be a job for kids when kids are in school...

Never heard of college, university or part time school?

I sure have, but everyone likes to push it as a job for high school kids. Those basically all run on the same timeframe. The last restaurant I managed, if I could only hire students (college students included), I wouldn't have had enough staff to operate during all business hours. We would have had to shut down almost all weekday mornings. After 8pm? Forget about it, laws prevent high school kids from working too late.

Plain and simple there is no such thing as a "job intended for kids". It's a cop-out answer, and a really bad one at that. Work is work, if you cannot pay people a decent wage, shut your doors and go work for someone who can.

oops dbl...

a reply to: TerryDon79

Actually they work in tandem to produce a result you can't have one without the other.

Sorry buddy but everything you've said so far has been dead wrong.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: SisterDelirium

They are clueless mouth breathers who are arrogant in their perspective and think that because somehow they are doing a more skillful job that other people are worth nothing.

It's a gross injustice and in my opinion part of a new paradigm of thinking that's recent to the last 20 years.

Once upon a time people in this country used to appreciate a good meal and appreciate someone ho worked hard to put food on the table.

Those days are gone we are now fighting against selfish narcissist.

That is merely all opinion.

No paradigm has changed in the last 20 years. There's still jobs available, but people don't want to put the effort in to get the education to do them.

I agree about the meals and appreciation. Unfortunately, McDonald's is neither a great meal or done by someone who worked hard. It is a very simple job. It's broken up into compartments (till, fryer, burger flipper etc) to make it easier.

a reply to: TerryDon79

That doesn't change the fact that without their contribution that business wouldn't exist and it doesn't excuse the corporate business model that siphons the money off of the top of that labor to give to investors on Wall Street.

All of what I just said is undeniable facts.

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: Bedlam
Some jobs are not worth making a living wage. They are for learning how to work. It's a kid's job.

Let's put this personal opinion that people try to tout as fact to rest.

Why are these jobs that are intended for kids open during school hours? When have they EVER operated ONLY when kids aren't in school?

They never have. Kinda hard to be a job for kids when kids are in school...

Never heard of college, university or part time school?

I sure have, but everyone likes to push it as a job for high school kids. Those basically all run on the same timeframe. The last restaurant I managed, if I could only hire students (college students included), I wouldn't have had enough staff to operate during all business hours. We would have had to shut down almost all weekday mornings. After 8pm? Forget about it, laws prevent high school kids from working too late.

Plain and simple there is no such thing as a "job intended for kids". It's a cop-out answer, and a really bad one at that. Work is work, if you cannot pay people a decent wage, shut your doors and go work for someone who can.

Or employ people who don't want to further their education and are happy at working there.

People know how much the hourly wage is there. It's on the internet for crying out loud. So people know how much they will make per hour, per day, per week etc. It's their own fault if they can't figure out it's not going to make enough money to pay all the bills, food, travel etc.

No one forced them to work there.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: TerryDon79

That doesn't change the fact that without their contribution that business wouldn't exist and it doesn't excuse the corporate business model that siphons the money off of the top of that labor to give to investors on Wall Street.

All of what I just said is undeniable facts.

But no one has ever been forced to work there. It's a choice. If they don't like it, leave.

a reply to: TerryDon79

Another illogically driven argument to side with the corporations and mega banks who own most of the stock anyway.

I'm supporting these workers in their fight for higher wages and a bigger slice of the pie that they actually worked to create and not in favor of conglomerates who feel entitled to the money simply because they have more money than the workers.

The workers who can't afford to buy the stock for the company they work for in order to build a better life for themselves.

Pretty ass backwards.

Are you a Goldman Sachs employees?

a reply to: TerryDon79

The low skilled workers should just get good paying jobs at manufacturi.....oh wait, I forgot about NAFTA.

a reply to: Vector99

Dude they should all go to law school. The tens of millions of people doing "low skill work"

There's definitely tens of millions of nursing jobs and jobs in HVAC.

a reply to: onequestion

Seriously with the ad hominem?

People know how much they're going to get paid. Moaning after the fact is like buying a broken car then moaning that it wont start.

a reply to: TerryDon79

Their fighting for better wages and I support their position.

On ethical and moral grounds.