McDonald's Says its Wage Hikes Are Improving Service

originally posted by: Bearack


With this being said, once we decide to go down this rabbit hole, what then happens to those skilled positions that are paying at or near this new minimum wage? Economics dictates that those positions will require a bump as well.

Eventually what takes place is that we will encounter an inflation boom and in the long run, we will be right back at square 1 as that $15 mark will be considered a "non-living wage ".

And that is EXACTLY how the cycle should work, eternally, because it is a never ending war between Business and Labor as is required under capitalism. Both sides need negotiating power at the individual and organized level.

Today's Economic policies are the result of Organized Big Business having to much power over our government and economy and they need to be neutered.

Do you think Big Business buys puppet politicians, or outsources labor, or lobbies for Amnesty or moves to China for the benefit of labor?


The majority of the wealth held in this country is at an historical Soviet Unionist High due to Big Business, Banking and Government Marriage

www2.ucsc.edu...
An Investment Manager's View on the Top 1%

originally posted by: TerryDon79


If you're unemployed you get more from the state than you do at McDonald's.

If you're no longer a slave and die, how is that similar to having income from the state?

This is one of the media propaganda talking points I see flying around all the time.
I have looked at the history of food stamps and welfare in the past 50 years and today, the amount handed out is at an all time low per person.

It is at an all time high budget wise however, but that is what happens when you have policies favoring the wealthy to sell out this nation when they can make bank from investments overseas.

They love the wealth that comes from utilizing slave labor in China but want others to pay for it. And don't you dare end those Trade Pacts.

50 Years ago, if you were single, you could draw cash welfare and food stamps if you did not have a job.
Cash Welfare is gone and food stamps which adjusted for inflation is much lower plus food is more expensive these last few years.

The ones that bring up welfare the most are the ones that use it to counter the welfare to corporations that are in the billions of dollars a year.

All the Revolving Door Corporate and Banking insiders need to be thrown out of DC and all their lobbyists need to go to.

The "Democrat" and "Republican" Party are owned by Big Banking and Big Business


The supernational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries.
David Rockefeller

The McDonald's McPick Promotion (2 for $5) just ended. Went today and the fish sandwich is smaller than ever and costs a whopping $4 frickin dollars!

Expect to see McDonald's USA revenues drop like a rock soon...

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
And, "fighting" for "better" wages makes no mention of whether the better wage is deserved.

How is it determined if it is "Deserved"
By Big Business?

Capitalism talks nothing about if something is deserved or not
It talks about market determined wages which work on supply and demand.
Having the door wide open to slave labor here and abroad benefits the Business side of the equation.
Having Trade Pacts written by Organized Business without labor input is not Capitalism but Corporatism.

Individual and Organized Labor and Individual and Organized Business all should have negotiating power under capitalism.
None of that happened with the last 10 Trade Pacts, H1B's, Illegal Aliens and so on

Profits are up because they started giving breakfast all day. And started to use better ingredients.

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: jacobe001

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: TerryDon79

It doesn't need to ensure customer satisfaction at all. All it's about is satisfying customers needs for that product.

Do I even?

I'm not even addressing the rest of your post because your a disgusting human being advocating slavery.

False equivalency.

Slaves can't CHOOSE to be a slave or CHOOSE to leave.

McDonalds workers CHOOSE to work there and can CHOOSE to leave.

Some slaves actually stayed with their owners out of survival - Sound Similar?
And many slaves that left, died.

Where is the McDonalds young and elderly workers going to go to survive?

How the end of slavery led to starvation and death for millions of black Americans
www.theguardian.com...

Still a false equivalency.

If you're unemployed you get more from the state than you do at McDonald's.

If you're no longer a slave and die, how is that similar to having income from the state?

You are making stuff up now. It may fit your narrative but it's not true.

originally posted by: jacobe001

originally posted by: Bearack


With this being said, once we decide to go down this rabbit hole, what then happens to those skilled positions that are paying at or near this new minimum wage? Economics dictates that those positions will require a bump as well.

Eventually what takes place is that we will encounter an inflation boom and in the long run, we will be right back at square 1 as that $15 mark will be considered a "non-living wage ".

And that is EXACTLY how the cycle should work, eternally, because it is a never ending war between Business and Labor as is required under capitalism. Both sides need negotiating power at the individual and organized level.

So, you're saying that the cycle should be arbitrarily inflated to create a micro economy? No, that's not how it works. Forcing an employer to pay an arbitrary rate will only force prices to inflate. The end is the employer will still make every effort to earn his 6%, unless you're saying that we should guidelines that state how much an owner can earn?

originally posted by: jacobe001
Today's Economic policies are the result of Organized Big Business having to much power over our government and economy and they need to be neutered.

That is a result of us allowing our politicians becoming life time appointees. Fix government by term limits in all branches of government and you will take a large portion of teeth out of big businesses ability to dictate policy in this nation. What is your plan to "neuter" big business? Surely increasing the minimum wage won't do that as big business will merely increase cost to the consumer.

originally posted by: jacobe001
Do you think Big Business buys puppet politicians, or outsources labor, or lobbies for Amnesty or moves to China for the benefit of labor?

Absolutely and anyone who thinks otherwise is blind. However, this nation also has one of the worlds largest corporate tax burden and employee cot liability. I can pay an employee $70K to work for me, but my cost does not end there. I have to pay another $18K in taxes, unemployment insurance, workman's comp insurance, 401K match and medical insurance.

originally posted by: jacobe001
The majority of the wealth held in this country is at an historical Soviet Unionist High due to Big Business, Banking and Government Marriage

You do realize that there are an estimated 27 million entrepreneurs in the United States as of last year. Increasing the minimum wage will actually HELP the large corporations as it will force many of these entrepreneurs into default as they do not have the ability to run at lower margins.

originally posted by: jacobe001

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
And, "fighting" for "better" wages makes no mention of whether the better wage is deserved.

How is it determined if it is "Deserved"
By Big Business?

Capitalism talks nothing about if something is deserved or not
It talks about market determined wages which work on supply and demand.
Having the door wide open to slave labor here and abroad benefits the Business side of the equation.
Having Trade Pacts written by Organized Business without labor input is not Capitalism but Corporatism.

Individual and Organized Labor and Individual and Organized Business all should have negotiating power under capitalism.
None of that happened with the last 10 Trade Pacts, H1B's, Illegal Aliens and so on

Slave labor? You realize that slaves made NO money, right. As of 2013, the US was one of the highest nations with a median household income of over $53K. Granted, we've been stagnant for the last decade but saying the US is a nations of slave labor is an absolute falsehood!

www.gallup.com...

originally posted by: Bearack

originally posted by: jacobe001

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
And, "fighting" for "better" wages makes no mention of whether the better wage is deserved.

How is it determined if it is "Deserved"
By Big Business?

Capitalism talks nothing about if something is deserved or not
It talks about market determined wages which work on supply and demand.
Having the door wide open to slave labor here and abroad benefits the Business side of the equation.
Having Trade Pacts written by Organized Business without labor input is not Capitalism but Corporatism.

Individual and Organized Labor and Individual and Organized Business all should have negotiating power under capitalism.
None of that happened with the last 10 Trade Pacts, H1B's, Illegal Aliens and so on

the US was one of the highest nations with a median household income of over $53K.

Know one's arguing that fact, the US is unquestionably the richest nation in the world and there's lot of people there doing extremely well for themselves.

Neither the less, the problem isn't the "household median income" ... it's the fact that a country with such incredible wealth refuses to provide it's people with a livable minimum wage.

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: Bearack

originally posted by: jacobe001

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
And, "fighting" for "better" wages makes no mention of whether the better wage is deserved.

How is it determined if it is "Deserved"
By Big Business?

Capitalism talks nothing about if something is deserved or not
It talks about market determined wages which work on supply and demand.
Having the door wide open to slave labor here and abroad benefits the Business side of the equation.
Having Trade Pacts written by Organized Business without labor input is not Capitalism but Corporatism.

Individual and Organized Labor and Individual and Organized Business all should have negotiating power under capitalism.
None of that happened with the last 10 Trade Pacts, H1B's, Illegal Aliens and so on

the US was one of the highest nations with a median household income of over $53K.

Know one's arguing that fact, the US is unquestionably the richest nation in the world and there's lot of people there doing extremely well for themselves.

Neither the less, the problem isn't the "household median income" ... it's the fact that a country with such incredible wealth refuses to provide it's people with a livable minimum wage.

This is what I find astounding. Statistically, the US is one of the highest nation per capita where are populous is above the poverty line. Many European nations lag well behind the US when it comes to how much we pay are citizens. It's somewhat empirical.

mises.org...

With that beings said, even our lowest whom live at or below the poverty line live much better than even other nations middle class. Many of our citizens that live at or below the poverty line have their own vehicle, have their own smart phones, have air conditioned quarters have access to more resources than many, if not most nations. We are one of the most charitable nations in the world.

Don't let the progressive sounding points mislead you. Granted, there is always room for improvement but you really need to see how other nations poor/middle class live before you say how bad our poor live.

a reply to: onequestion

This is my opinion on it...

I have worked in fast food before and I can tell you it is designed to be a minimum effort job which is why they get paid minimum wage. Fast food jobs are for people who are just starting out in the job industry or maybe need something to help them get back on their feet. I think you should be able to work towards raises but starting out at a higher rate? I'm still not so sure it would work everywhere. If you raise minimum wage at one place, another place will start to demand it as well. Instead of working harder for a pay raise or looking for a job that they can make a career out of, people then start to stick around, squandering their potential and not pushing their limits but rather sitting around and complaining to get more money.

As far as affordability? Groceries are not as expensive when you cut out all the stuff you don't need. I left the store, just the other day with 4 bags worth of produce for $25. People don't NEED expensive cell phones. They don't NEED 8 frozen pizzas in their fridge. They don't NEED television. The consumer mindset is that you have to have all of these things in order to "survive". They don't even need new clothes consistently unless they are growing children. I am sorry but I see more people complaining about how they have no money when they have a ton of expensive things. I try not to judge those who have these things on the off chance that just maybe they received it as a gift or what not but you have to understand that not everyone is telling the whole truth when it comes to their bills. It's easier to blame the system then to blame themselves.

Something is severely wrong with the work ethic of Americans and it is almost appalling. No one wants to work for what they have anymore.

originally posted by: jacobe001

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
And, "fighting" for "better" wages makes no mention of whether the better wage is deserved.

How is it determined if it is "Deserved"
By Big Business?

Capitalism talks nothing about if something is deserved or not
It talks about market determined wages which work on supply and demand.
Having the door wide open to slave labor here and abroad benefits the Business side of the equation.
Having Trade Pacts written by Organized Business without labor input is not Capitalism but Corporatism.

Individual and Organized Labor and Individual and Organized Business all should have negotiating power under capitalism.
None of that happened with the last 10 Trade Pacts, H1B's, Illegal Aliens and so on

OK...lets discuss "deserved" from this perspective. You, as a person have no right or requirement to work for another person or company. No rule saying you must be employed by another but you have that option. If you decide you wish to perform work for another, you will be paid a wage based upon the work you perform. By law...there is a minimum wage which I believe is $7.25 per hour.

For the most part...here is what is "deserved". If you are new, just starting with little experience you will likely and legally deserve minimum wage. If you have or obtain additional or better skills, you deserve better than minimum wage pay. If you become a "star" and excel about most others in your line of work, you deserve better than that. The more you grow and improve, the more you will likely earn. But at the heart of this lies the profitability. If you are earning $10 per hour (as an example) but due to your work, the company is only making $9 per hour...you are a drain on the company causing it to lose money. Let me state that again...if your work doesn't at least cover your salary, benefits, etc...you are a drain on the company, you cause them to lose money and your position should be terminated.

So...what do YOU deserve? You don't deserve a raise if you aren't producing more. You simple presence for a longer period of time does not generate more profit. Your experience might...and that must be weighed. If your experience weighs more and contributes to the profitability of the company...you deserve to earn more.

A simplified way of looking at it is this. You take a job at $7.25 per hour. Assume the company accepts you because you earn them 1 cent per hour profit. So...you being employed earns the company $7.26 per hour and the company profits by a penny per hour. For every additional penny you earn for the company, you could be paid an additional penny. So, for example, if you earn the company $20.01 per hour, you may deserve $20.00 per hour pay. Pretty simple right? I mean...if your existence at the company, your employment at the company doesn't produce a profit, there is no point in you being there.

So...the problem comes when YOU decide that you "deserve" more than what you earn for the company. There has been much talk about a $15 per hour minimum wage. But how many people actually earn the company $15.01 per hour? Definitely not everyone and yes...I am simplifying. If the company is forced to pay you $15 per hour but you are only earning the company $14 per hour...what happens? The company loses money, goes broke and goes out of business.

What you "deserve" is what you earn for the company in the simplistic form. There are employed people who don't earn their share, that are a drain on a company and when the government imposes a law requiring a company to lose money...we eventually lose our jobs. Then...the government pays you for not working with other people's money...which causes them to need a higher pay...etc.

Bottom line. The reason people think they are not paid fairly is often that they don't deserve to be paid any more. You can fix this by learning, training, showing up every day, going to school, being healthy, etc. But by design, the government has more control over what you are actually paid and whether you have a job or not than you may realize. You can't choke the life out of a company and expect them to continue to exist. They will die. You will lose your job.

So unless you have the books in front of you...unless you know your actual value to the company, you have no place to say that you are underpaid. All you can say is you WANT more...not that you DESERVE more.