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originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
And you trust and believe Bloomberg. Up to you.
originally posted by: ForteanOrg
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite
You say "53-57 percent" - they say TWENTY..
originally posted by: ForteanOrg
If 'having a say in the EU' is that important to you, then why do you leave? You won't have ANY say in the matter anymore if you do - and will still have to agree to most if not all EU legislation.
Likewise I might say "can you imagine the future problems in the UK if you leave".
Being deprived of a valuable workforce
having to pay taxes to import EU goods and again to export yours,
being required to ask for a visum if you want to visit the continent - and having to stand at the back of the line when you seek work in the EU.
they are used to an open Europe, in which you can travel freely, in which rules and regulations are agreeable and comparable
and in which you can talk to almost everybody in English (even in France,[/b ]
you Brits should count your blessings).
so, remember: the Brits BEGGED to enter the freemarket,
they ran a weak economy and there was a lot of poverty in the UK. After they joined, they caught up quickly which brought them to the current (EU) standard. They will fall back just as quickly if they leave, mark my words.
So of the votes cast 46% IN + 54% OUT = BREXIT. I am not fooled by the elite controlled media. There figures are so far out of reality that I suspect they know they are in big trouble hence what they present. This is a deliberate act of deception hoping to convince the minds of voters that IN is a good thing and so many people cant be wrong. However, I believe that people in general have an idea of what is happening and thats sufficient for the OUT campaign to win! I also wouldn't readily dismiss Pollstations www.pollstation.uk... 80% Leave with over 28500 voters as not significant. Like I said earlier it will be 100,000 votes by 23 June 2016 and if that still shows a significant lead for Leave then we should take notice.
originally posted by: grainofsand
originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
And you trust and believe Bloomberg. Up to you.
originally posted by: ForteanOrg
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite
You say "53-57 percent" - they say TWENTY..
Lol, after the hilarious fail of pollsters at last year's General Election I don't even look at them any more.
We shall see on the day.
As an aside, we can imagine that all UKIP voters from last year will vote leave, so that would be 12.6% of vote share.
Lets pretend half of Conservative voters will vote leave, that's 18.4%
How about half of Labour voters choosing leave, another 15.2%, which would add up to 46.2%
Then add to that a possible rush of votes by people who don't usually get involved in politics but 'could' be passionate about leaving the EU for whatever reasons, then it could easily be a win for leave.
Pure playful speculation, but the 20% figure is clearly ridiculous and only a clown would post a link to such rubbish as supporting evidence in a reasoned debate.
All I hear is people talking about wanting to vote leave, I hope my anecdotal testimony is indicative of the wider nation.
Concur. But I suspect that the voters will come out in numbers to assist the Leave vote! Immigration and Sovereignty are big issues for Brits!!
originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite
I guess it will depend on voter turn out as well, I suspect that leave voters will be more motivated than remain folk so could pull it off.
That is my hope at least.
Concur! Obama underestimates the British. If he thinks Cameron is a typical Brit then he is in for a rude awakening!
originally posted by: eletheia
President Obama is entitled to his opinion, However he is not entitled to
preach to a country how he believes they should act - not for
their benefit but for what he wants for his countrymen!
I am sure the Americans or Obama would not appreciate our views on their
2nd amendment .... *the US gun laws*
When Obama made his pitch about.... if the UK left the EU they would
have to go to the back of the queue he should have checked some facts
and figures!
In 2015 the US sold £39 billion worth of goods to the UK, making us their
largest trading partner in Europe - as bigger market as France Spain and
Italy combined.
Is America really prepared to jeopardise its trading relationship with the
worlds fifth largest economy by sending them to the "back of the queue"
So lets stop all this talk of the UK being incapable and lost in the wilderness
with out the EU. We as a nation are being brow beaten and some are
beginning to believe the myth that we no longer have any clout.
Lets vote *OUT* and show the naysayers that the UK is still Great Britain
We are the conduit that US needs hence the real reason why Obama's verbal D.
originally posted by: eletheia
Some light on the subject of why Obama wants the UK to stay in the EU?
The US currently being in negotiations with the EU bloc - but the talks have not
been going well .... mainly because of the demands of the EU's multiple special
interests and French economic nationalism.
If the talks extend into the new US administration they could well FAIL!!
From *the Wall street Journal.www.wsj.com...
The UK Politicians have become lazy, sitting back and leaving the EU to do as
it likes. If we leave they will have to earn their salaries/expenses and be
accountable to the British public they will be unable to pass the buck and blame
the EU.
Britain has not negotiated on its own behalf for 40 odd years ....They will need
to get their act together and get up to speed and earn those salaries/expenses
maybe that's what our politicians are afraid of