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originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
I don't know what they are teaching kids in university, but not to look at both sides of the argument prior to voting, seems to be encouraged.
Shame.
Pythagorean theorem: …………………………………….24 words.
Lord’s prayer:………………………………………………. 66 words.
Archimedes’ Principle: ……………………………………. 67 words.
10 Commandments: …………………………………….. 179 words.
Gettysburg address: …………………………………….. 286 words.
US Declaration of Independence : ……………….. 1,300 words.
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originally posted by: 83Liberty
So according to Barack Obama, if we vote to Leave the EU, "the UK is going to be in the back of the queue" for trade talks with the US.
Thanks Obama for proving the point that if we vote Leave, then we will be saved from TTIP for decades, if not entirely!
Surely that's a good thing for the British people.
originally posted by: 83Liberty
Obviously Cameron begged him to come over and give 'his' opinion.
Quite frankly I think he doesn't know much about the EU especially the negative impacts it has on many of it's nation states.
originally posted by: 83Liberty
originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
Whats your thought on www.pollstation.uk... vote? Now running at over 27000 votes and 79% leave?
I would take that with a pinch of salt to be honest.
It maybe does show that Brexiteers are probably more engaged, more internet savvy or more proactive in this EU debate.
I watched Question Time last night I have to say it was AWESOME. It seemed like the majority of the audience were in favour of a Brexit. Even when the Lib Dem bloke asked the audience would they risk voting leave with all these big financial studies/reports that state we will be worse of financially, and you heard a large collective YES back from the audience. It was truly fantastic! (i've had a look for a clip of it but cant find one unfortunately)
Also this guy was epic...
I get what you say about Pollstation but 27500 votes swinging to 79% OUT is quite a margin regardless of who is the voter and when you consider that is UK wide then surely it is an indicative mood or sign of where things might go! And when you consider that there is only 15% remain then for that to be turned around would require something rather special. And by the time we get to the 23 June the number of voters will be in the region of 100,000 and that is no mean poll. Personally I believe that the leave vote on 23 June will be 53-57% taking into numerous factors and caveats! If I am right then I collect from the bookies and we leave the EU. Now that will be a good and proud day!
originally posted by: 83Liberty
originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
Whats your thought on www.pollstation.uk... vote? Now running at over 27000 votes and 79% leave?
I would take that with a pinch of salt to be honest.
It maybe does show that Brexiteers are probably more engaged, more internet savvy or more proactive in this EU debate.
I watched Question Time last night I have to say it was AWESOME. It seemed like the majority of the audience were in favour of a Brexit. Even when the Lib Dem bloke asked the audience would they risk voting leave with all these big financial studies/reports that state we will be worse of financially, and you heard a large collective YES back from the audience. It was truly fantastic! (i've had a look for a clip of it but cant find one unfortunately)
Also this guy was epic...
He can stick pipe his ass to his mouth for threatening the UK the way he did. Mr change is a puppet for the real PTB.
originally posted by: bigyin
Barack Obama tells Scotland: stay united
This is the same as happened during Scottish Referendum. I didn't notice anyone outside of Scotland complain about Obama intervention then. What's the difference ?
Anyway the thing to notice is that he made his first plea/threat in June 2014, 3 months before the vote and then he piped up again with just a few days to go.
So I expect he will be back closer to EU ref to stick his oar in again
( UK voters would do well to note what their future
within the EU might look like under the dictatorial steam roller of the EU. )
So they've got the big guns out .... LOL!!
originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
I am not against the EU because I believe in a British empire but what I don't agree with is laws being passed in Brussels that we have little say in.
Nor do I wish to see any more immigrants enter the UK. Can't you imagine the future problems in the UK if we remain. You underestimate the young and their ability to see through the bull.
Across my extended family of all ages and persuasions and varying education levels the vote is approx. 60% OUT. We are leaving the EU so I would get used to it!
Yes he did. He said that if we leave the UK then we would be at the back of the queue/line with regards to the US. Which means we had better remain or else. That is a veiled threat!
originally posted by: Flavian
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite
He didn't threaten the UK at all. He simply set out how trade deals work. You seek to do business with the many, rather than the few.
I am actually rather disappointed with the response on ATS about his comments. I thought here we prided ourselves on critical thinking (or, at least more critical thinking than the "average" person). Instead, we get knee jerk reactionism to a very basic economic point.
Perhaps it is because people feel so strongly about the In/Out campaign, after all, even the best of us (as a species) can be reactionary at times. But for so many to lose the plot over what is such a basic economic point is actually both suprising and worrying.
I beg to differ I'm afraid. And yes we will have to wait and see. I have already refined my prediction for the 23rd June to 53-57% vote to leave!
originally posted by: ForteanOrg
originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
I am not against the EU because I believe in a British empire but what I don't agree with is laws being passed in Brussels that we have little say in.
If 'having a say in the EU' is that important to you, then why do you leave? You won't have ANY say in the matter anymore if you do - and will still have to agree to most if not all EU legislation anyway.
Nor do I wish to see any more immigrants enter the UK. Can't you imagine the future problems in the UK if we remain. You underestimate the young and their ability to see through the bull.
Likewise I might say "can you imagine the future problems in the UK if you leave". Being deprived of a valuable workforce, having to pay taxes to import EU goods and again to export yours, being required to ask for a visum if you want to visit the continent - and having to stand at the back of the line when you seek work in the EU.
About the young: they mostly want to stay IN. They have been raised with the Internet and hence don't really get why older folks still think it is important in what "nation" you are born. They have friends all over the world and talk to them as you did in your youth with the blokes in your neighbourhood. Nations are a thing of the past to our young - thank Goodness for that! - they are used to an open Europe, in which you can travel freely, in which rules and regulations are agreeable and comparable and in which you can talk to almost everybody in English (even in France, you Brits should count your blessings). Young people surely understand there should be Laws, but they can't really wrap their heads around it why the Law in France should be different from the Law in Danmark. Interests of nations do not bother them - interests of people do.
Now, back to the issue of colouring the past brighter than it was: remember - you can, after all, most young people can't nor do they care - so, remember: the Brits BEGGED to enter the freemarket, they ran a weak economy and there was a lot of poverty in the UK. After they joined, they caught up quickly which brought them to the current (EU) standard. They will fall back just as quickly if they leave, mark my words. It's not what I'd like to see happen, I love the UK.
Across my extended family of all ages and persuasions and varying education levels the vote is approx. 60% OUT. We are leaving the EU so I would get used to it!
You may or may not leave the EU - your family and friends may simply SAY they agree to the Brexit just to stop the argument. Let's wait and see.
And you trust and believe Bloomberg. Up to you.
originally posted by: ForteanOrg
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite
You say "53-57 percent" - they say TWENTY..