UK Referendum 23 June 2016 - Will it be an EU BREXIT or Not?

a reply to: 83Liberty

Why do I sound bitter and spiteful. Please do explain.

I said ages ago here on ATS that this referendum would be hilarious.

Well it's hilarious to anyone who went through the Scottish vote, which I guess nobody on here did, so that'll be why you don't get what I'm talking about. Hey Ho

I hope you all get your vote to leave I really do cos I want out as well. But Ive got the popcorn ready. Its gonna be fantastic entertainment. I can't wait for it to happen.

a reply to: grainofsand

We're not lost. Far from it. Working towards indy ref 2 m8

and at the moment your doing our work for us. Keep it up.

I don't care to be honest, I wouldn't miss the whinging auld bastards.

originally posted by: bigyin
Why do I sound bitter and spiteful. Please do explain.

When I said you sound bitter and spiteful, I was referring to your comment...

Tell me, if the same figures happen in #EUref will you be happy and content with the decision given the amount of #ProjectFear, influence, and media bias being thrown being the remain side? sorry for laughing can't help it

Which sounds like you are laughing or having a little dig at us because of the same Project Fear in the EU debate.
Apologies if that's not what you were doing, but that what I had taken out of your comment.

a reply to: 83Liberty

So just answer the question. What will be the feeling in England if the government forces/tactics win the day. Do you think it will be fair. Will you accept it if its a very close result. Or will you just shrug your shoulders and get back to be European

a reply to: bigyin

I have already answered your question in my reply to your original post.

I think a lot of people will be annoyed if we Remain, and I can see that leading to more votes to UKIP, a bit like what happened with the SNP.

I will always be English, British and European, no matter the result.

originally posted by: 83Liberty
a reply to: bigyin

and European, no matter the result.

Gosh. Really ?

I just think of myself as Scottish. Nothing else.

a reply to: bigyin
That's fine. Though technically you're British and European too, considering you're Scottish and Scotland is in Great Britain and Europe. You may one day be free from the British, but I can't see Scotland floating away from the European continent anytime soon.

a reply to: 83Liberty

Technically being British just means you live on the British Isles. I'm Scottish and Scotland is in a Union with England which is called the United Kingdom. The continent I live on, there are 5 continents, is Europe. So yes I'm European in that sense but it's not something I relate to everyday. I do live on the British Isles but I don't relate to that either. I hate being in a union with England, want out of that. No I'm just Scottish and happy with it.

a reply to: bigyin

Yes you're correct. What I should have wrote...
Geographically you are Scottish, British and European.
Politically you are Scottish, British and European, but you just want to be Scottish.

a reply to: bigyin

Scottish is not a nationality. If it was you would have a Scottish passport.

You have a British passport and your nationality is British. That is reality. How you think, feel or relate is purely subjective.

a reply to: Morrad

Oh dear. fail



British Passports

Can be issued to members of many countries. Scotland is one of them.

a reply to: 83Liberty

Yes geographically I am all of those which can't be changed. It's a physical fact much like saying I'm Caucasian. But I don't know anyone who would call themselves European or Caucasian for that matter. I'm also a member of planet earth and again I don't know anyone who refers themself as Earther. I know less and less people in Scotland who call themself British. It's become a dirty word. Most people I know call themself Scottish and maybe British How is it in England ?

Politically yes I'm all of those things, but these can be changed. If we vote out of EU then we no longer be European politically. And if I can persuade enough Scots to vote to leave UK then we would no longer be British politically.

a reply to: bigyin

Well the actual link you gave describes the image above as a British biometric passport.

From what I remember the Acts of Union law in the eighteenth century made everyone living in the UK, British citizens (not English, Scottish or Welsh citizens).

There are also 6 classes of British citizens. Scotland is not one of them.

There has never ever been a Scottish passport.

a reply to: Morrad

So are you saying English is not a nationality ?

originally posted by: Morrad
a reply to: bigyin

Well the actual link you gave describes the image above as a British biometric passport.

That is the current British Passport. What's your point ?

originally posted by: bigyin

originally posted by: Morrad
a reply to: bigyin

Well the actual link you gave describes the image above as a British biometric passport.

That is the current British Passport. What's your point ?

If we stay in the EU, who knows when they will want to introduce a EU passport. Loss of sovereignty first then loss of identity next! The British need to put the pride back into Britain but one can only fear that some of the young, naive and balless wont understand what that means!

originally posted by: bigyin
a reply to: Morrad

So are you saying English is not a nationality ?

English is anything that comes from England like its tea, language and people. If you are from England you are English, if you are from Scotland you are Scottish which makes both British, however, passports are issued for the Britain.

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originally posted by: 83Liberty
a reply to: bigyin

Yes you're correct. What I should have wrote...
Geographically you are Scottish, British and European.
Politically you are Scottish, British and European, but you just want to be Scottish.

But even if Scotland does leave the UK he will always be part of the British Isles hence British with a Scottish or EU passport if they were to remain in the EU.