a reply to: windword
Hi Windword -
You referenced a QUOTE of mine from my opening Post on this Thread: "We are talking about divorce and re-marriage, without retribution from the
church, while it clearly goes against the teachings of Jesus..." UNQUOTE
Thanks very much for hanging in there on this hot-topic. You've hit the nail on the head hard several times in this discussion in bringing out into
the open the thorny subject of 'disagreeing with Jesus' which persons who style themselves "Christians" are very reluctant to do, even in private. Why
can't they just admit that not everything the good Rebbe said applies to the complex 21st century we live in today?
An African American friend of mine stated that he couldn't bring himself to 'follow Jesus' (or 'Paul' for that matter) because 'neither person came
out against the injustices of slavery', but both seemed to have accepted it as a reality of their day. My friend disagreed with 'Jesus' and 'Paul' on
this one issue, but still lives a clean & sober life which would shame many persons who style themselves 'Christians' who attend 'Church' every
I asked him if he was a 'Christian'; he responded that although he sometimes goes to the local gospel church to hear the choir sing, after he went to
college and started thinking more deeply about life's core issues, he decided the church was not representing what he believed 'in his heart', and
among other things he noticed a lot of divorces and flagrant adulteries in the congregation. He asked me what Jesus taught on the subject, and I told
him that 'Jesus' had taken an extremely reactionary stance on Divorce which was possibly unheard of in those days.
Rabbi Shammai in the 1st century CE was normally more conservative on these issues, but he listed several conditions when a man might divorce his
wife; and Rabbi Hillel who was Shammai's contemporary took a more liberal stance on Divorce that most Rebbes today follow in the US. But R. Yehoshua
bar Yosef's stance on Divorce is something of another animal altogether: in effect Jesus said "No Divorce, Ever."
And moreover 'Jesus' said, in effect, "he who is separated from his wife, let the wife be reconciled with the husband...." and "what the Most High has
joined together let no son of man separate;" and other sayings about the male and the female becoming one flesh, &tc. and that Mosheh allowed for
wrote Divorce proceedings 'out of your hard-heartedness...' Ὅτι Μωϋσῆς πρὸς τὴν σκληροκαρδίαν ὑμῶν = מתוך
קשיות לב שלך - the words 'heart-hardened' in Hebrew (=לב קשיות) is the same phrase that is used to describe Pharaoh's 'hardness of
heart' in disallowing the Israelites passage out of the country which resulted in the plague of the first born sons.
And did not the Torah explicitly state 'you shall not harden your heart against your poor fellow Israelite"? (Deut 15:7)
It seems to me that it would be a lot easier for people to say, I try to follow Jesus' teachings but in the 21st century, his outdated stance on
Divorce is just no longer tenable, and I disagree with him on that point. He spoke and taught others for his own time..."
But modern day Protestant Christians seem to just go ahead and do what they want to do when it comes to this one subject, in effect wiping their
behinds on Jesus' words, as Anita Bryant did when interviewed a decade ago admitting that her first marriage failed in 1980 (to Bob Green, but
resulted in 4 children) and ended in divorce and 'the Lord' led her to her second husband Charlie Hobson Dry in 1990. First husband Bob Green refused
to accept the divorce on religious grounds (he read his bible, he said) claiming that his fundamentalist religious beliefs did not recognize civil
divorce and that she was still his wife "in God's eyes."
Recently, Anita Bryant had to admit defeat when she said "The church needs to wake up and find some way to cope with divorce and women's problems
So even Anita Bryant is disagreeing with 'Jesus' although I doubt she'd admit as much !
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