Russia didn't give downed jet's flight plan to U.S.: U.S. officials

Russia didn't give downed jet's flight plan to U.S.: U.S. officials

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Russia did not inform the U.S. military of its jet's flight plan before Turkey shot it down on Tuesday, despite assertions to the contrary by Russian President Vladimir Putin, two U.S. officials told Reuters on Friday, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Putin has suggested some degree of U.S. culpability in the aftermath of the incident, even hinting that the United States might have given detailed Russian operational plans to Turkey ahead of time.

Addressing reporters in Moscow on Thursday, Putin said "we informed our American partners" about when and where Russian aircraft would be operating. It was "precisely" then that the Turkish air force shot down the Russian warplane, Putin said.

"The question arises: Why did we pass on that information to the Americans," Putin asked.

The Pentagon did not immediately comment on Putin's remarks but in the past acknowledged that Russia has given basic notification to the U.S.-led coalition ahead of some operations, like a Nov. 17 launch of cruise missiles.

Such communication is aimed at preventing an accidental clash between the former Cold War foes as they carry out parallel bombing campaigns inside of Syria.

The two U.S. officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said, however, that Russia had not passed along the kind of granular operational details suggested by Putin in his public remarks. The extent of any communications between the U.S. and Russian militaries before or after the incident was not immediately clear.

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Looks like putin once again got caught lying...

a reply to: Xcathdra

Looks like putin once again got caught lying...

These U.S. officials who spoke "on condition of anonymity", I'm guessing Darth Vadar & Dr. Strangelove haha

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Chuck Norris and the animals of Farthing Woods...

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Chuck Norris and the animals of Farthing Woods...

And Mickey Mouse

a reply to: Xcathdra

i think that these days we can not believe any statement that comes from the US war machine

a reply to: Xcathdra

Looks like putin once again got caught lying...

Yes, someone's lying, but why does it automatically have to be Putin?

a reply to: Flatcoat

Because he is the one who made the accusation...

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Chuck Norris and the animals of Farthing Woods...

And Mickey Mouse

Ironically he still more trustworthy than Putin...

a reply to: tom.farnhill

or the russians...

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Flatcoat

Because he is the one who made the accusation...

Least he attached his name to the quotes, so now we have "anonymous sources" from a regime that's globally renowned for lying and people are expected to take their word for it?

I refuse to be a moron

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
I refuse to be a moron

lol

So we can attribute the lie to putin directly.. ok.

a reply to: Xcathdra

So...Russia > Mickey mouse( imaginary character ) > Reuters and their imaginary, sorry, anonymous US official?

You are on the wrong forum. You should participate in MSM forum's discussions, if you are not already
You're wasting your time here on ATS

So did Turkey just wontonly go after some random jet near their border? Did they not even bother to ascertain it wasn't an American fighter jet? The US-Russia had made the agreement to avoid aircraft collisions over Syria where both countries were conducting bombing campaigns. Let's not lie to ourselves, the agreement was already in place that both countries negotiated, to exchange sortie operations to avoid any chance of US-Russian entanglements. That's why we weren't conducting our own bombing at that time. That negotiation took place in September-October:

US-Russia Memo on Air Safety Over Syria Takes Effect

PENTAGON— A Russia/U.S. memorandum of understanding went into effect immediately after it was signed Tuesday, providing a framework for both countries’ aircraft to maintain a “safe distance” from one another over Syria.

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Cook said the Russians requested that the full memorandum not be shared publicly. But he said it contained protocols that include “maintaining professional airmanship at all times, the use of specific communications frequencies, and the establishment of a communication line on the ground.” He said the ground communication would serve as a backup in case midair protections failed.

The agreement covers all types of aircraft over Syria, including drones, and it is specific to Syria. It does not apply to any other country.

"The Russians now need to abide by these flight safety protocols" in Syria, Cook said. "We don't want miscalculation."

Yet somehow Turkey managed to scramble 2 jets to intercept a Russian one that was going to come near it's border and then proceed to shoot it down inside of Syria.

"Anonymous sources" inside the Pentagon cannot be taken at their word. We already know the Pentagon can legally disseminate propaganda as part of it's programs.

The US government misplacing documents than denying they were received sounds just about normal. That is one of their biggest practices. They have been switching computer programs like we change our socks so they can cover up their mistakes.

I'm sure other countries have the same problems, including Russia.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Russia did not inform the U.S. military of its jet's flight plan before Turkey shot it down on Tuesday, despite assertions to the contrary by Russian President Vladimir Putin, two U.S. officials told Reuters on Friday, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Why do they need to remain anonymous?

The US is playing it off like a "he-said, she-said," but in Russia's favor there is a negotiated signed agreement between the two to share flight operations in Syria. That leads me to believe that Russia did in fact provide said plans to the US. Whether the US shared those with Turkey is another matter - did someone in the Pentagon leak those to Turkey to give them the ability to target that jet?

so, the awacs are not in the area.....I call bogus...nope, not buying anything about nothing these days

we are flying upside down and backwards these days, we have ...how would you say it...lost all communication with logic ...you know, misplaced our tallywhacker....done lost use of our twigs and berries...living in a world where we ...have non-functioning wedding tackle....

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
a reply to: Xcathdra

Looks like putin once again got caught lying...

These U.S. officials who spoke "on condition of anonymity", I'm guessing Darth Vadar & Dr. Strangelove haha

Giggle away!



Watching sad 'reports' regarding politics in the MSM is like watching cognitive dissonance nowadays. Kinda entertaining in a braindead way.



May the lawnmover be with us!

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

No turkey downed a russian jet violating its airspace. Violations that go back to october. In this case russia never supplied the info hes claiming to the US.

a reply to: GBP/JPY

The awacs was in the area as it heard the warnings turkey issued to the russian jets before they violated turkish airspace. The lie is where putin claimed they gave the US flight data, which is wrong.