Russia didn't give downed jet's flight plan to U.S.: U.S. officials

lol. just lol. anon officials said it. must be true.

originally posted by: AVoiceOfReason
lol. just lol. anon officials said it. must be true.

Considering putins track record of lies yes. How many versions did his government give about mh17? This is no different, up to and including those who buy his lies hook line and sinker.

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

US-Russia Memo on Air Safety Over Syria Takes Effect

And how does that effect a plane flying into Turkish airspace?

It only covers Syria.

Yet somehow Turkey managed to scramble 2 jets to intercept a Russian one that was going to come near it's border and then proceed to shoot it down inside of Syria.

It's called radar they were watching these planes as they were in route towards the Turkish border where they were warned and told to turn south, as far as where it was shot down in that has yet to be confirmed.

It crashed in Syria, but could have been shot in Turkish airspace. Although there is an interesting thread discussing that point.

You also need to remember Russia had been warned after they had a jet escorted out of their airspace earlier in October.

According to NATO, the violations occurred “on 3 October and 4 October by Russian Air Force SU-30 and SU-24 aircraft in the Hatay region. The aircraft in question entered Turkish airspace despite Turkish authorities’ clear, timely and repeated warnings. In accordance with NATO practice, Turkish fighter aircraft responded to these incursions by closing to identify the intruder, after which the Russian planes departed Turkish airspace.”

And before you complain because NATO said this...here Russia admits it.

According the Russians, the violation was due to a “navigation error”: quite funny considered the type of navigation systems equipping a modern Su-30SM.

theaviationist.com...

So when they see Russian airplanes heading for their border yes they would scramble their F-16's to intercept them.

a reply to: AVoiceOfReason

lol. just lol. anon officials said it. must be true.

Amazing how that is okay as long as it isn't an anon official from the US.

a reply to: GBP/JPY

From what I heard through various places AWACS was in the process off handing off to the replacement aircraft, so no one was on the radio talking to aircraft.

a reply to: rickymouse

The US government misplacing documents than denying they were received sounds just about normal. That is one of their biggest practices. They have been switching computer programs like we change our socks so they can cover up their mistakes.

Yes because Russia would never lie about something...no never.

You must have forgotten the great SU 25 wiki debacle they tried...remember changing the flight altitude to back their version of the MH 17 shootdown...but your right they never would lie about something like that.

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

The US is playing it off like a "he-said, she-said," but in Russia's favor there is a negotiated signed agreement between the two to share flight operations in Syria.

I imagine they didn't include them flying into Turkish airspace and the US not having a problem with it.

I guess they forgot to add that part to the info they shared.

They did it earlier in October and were warned then about the intrusions. I guess that incident gets forgotten.

originally posted by: Xcathdra

The two U.S. officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said, however, that Russia had not passed along the kind of granular operational details suggested by Putin in his public remarks. The extent of any communications between the U.S. and Russian militaries before or after the incident was not immediately clear.

click link for remainder of article...


Looks like putin once again got caught lying...

I'm not going to say that Putin is not lying here.

But

There is very little co-operation between Russia and the US. The USA refuses to form a coalition with them and given that just recently the USA was caught warning ISIS that Russian bombers were on their way I suspect Russia is thinking 'America be damned' and doing it's own thing.

I can't say I blame them really - if one side is warning your primary target to get out of the way then they are not exactly on board with the same objectives now are they?

America is fighting ISIS my bung hole. They are openly aiding and abetting it.

originally posted by: AVoiceOfReason
lol. just lol. anon officials said it. must be true.

Reuters reported it, not Before It's News or anyone shady. I am far more inclined to believe this source than not. It is not uncommon for military personnel to want to remain anonymous.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: Blackmarketeer

I imagine they didn't include them flying into Turkish airspace and the US not having a problem with it.

I guess they forgot to add that part to the info they shared.

They did it earlier in October and were warned then about the intrusions. I guess that incident gets forgotten.

I guess everyone conveniently forgets that Russia is bombing Syria and not Turkey.

Furthermore America is flyng bombers in and out of a Turkish airbase. Therefore Turkey has war planes in it's skies all the time.

This is selective and convenient hypocrisy by the Turkish government. They are just mad because Russia bombed all those tankers shipping cheap ISIS oil across their border.

a reply to: markosity1973

Actually russia refused to work with the us and it revolved around assad and russia targeting groups other than isis.

Secondly the isis warned source is infowars so not credible at all..

Turkey downed the russian plane for violating its airspace and not because they werent attacking isis.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Blackmarketeer

No turkey downed a russian jet violating its airspace. Violations that go back to october. In this case russia never supplied the info hes claiming to the US.

Prove it.

a reply to: Xcathdra

That's where the ideological difference lays.

Turkey wants Assad gone. Assad is the legitimate leader of Syria to this day. America is NATO so is bound by treaty with them and is allied to Saudi Arabia who also wants Assad gone.

Russia is allied with Syria and now Iran. Having said that, it is opposed to ISIS and is definitely open to Assad transitioning out of power once the war is over.

So, it is a horrible deadlock simply because Russia is trying to avoid another Libya. Libya is now a failed and virtually lawless state side Gaddafi was murdered by the people who are now ISIS.

And THAT is NATO's fault. And it is why I support Russia. Assad needs to go, but through political reform, not assassination and resulting power vacuum like Libya.

a reply to: markosity1973

No it would be the UN which approved libyan intervention - not NATO.

NATO is no more involved than BRICS or the EEU.

a reply to: Xcathdra

The UN might have rubber stamped it, but NATO dropped the bombs

m.huffpost.com...

a reply to: markosity1973

Not all nations involved were nato.

Secondly nato is not involved in syria.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Splitting hairs does not make the war crimes being committed by the US and other developed western nations any less heinous.

When did it become any nation's (alone or in an alliance) right to waltz in and depose leaders by starting wars?

Have we not learned anything since ww2?

The weapons might have got more advanced, but people still die just the same.

a reply to: markosity1973

Its been around since WWII. Its also how countries were created, including the US and Russia. Andas much as you are trying its not splitting hairs. Blaming nato makes as much sense as blaming brics or the eei.