The Fox News 'War On Christmas' Panic Is Already Starting

a reply to: ~Lucidity

Thanks for pointing out the absolutely obvious.

Glad I could be of service.

originally posted by: UnBreakable
It's times like this I thank God I'm an atheist.

LOL! Very cute!

originally posted by: IAMTAT
I have absolutely no problem with a public school exhibiting their student's art on school property (whether it's of any religious theme or not)...regardless of the time of year.

Just curious... Would you be OK if the students created their version of "Piss Christ" for exhibit on school property? How about a play that included the worship of Satan? Would it be OK if your child went to a school that had an assignment for everyone to draw their depiction of Mohammad?

a reply to: buster2010

" Yes just shut up and accept it being forced on you. "


Really buster , you want some Cheese with that Whine ? People who Constantly Cry about being Offended about something so utterly Trivial to Most other people need to get a Freakin' Life . This is America , where Freedom of Expression is Excepted by Everyone .

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

That's totally out of context. Not unexpected.

The argument being put forward by the ACLU is that because the play has religious elements, it is "is coercive, represents an endorsement of religion by the high school and the school corporation, has no secular purpose and has the principal purpose and effect of advancing religion."

Of course, the community stands behind the school, the play etc. But I suppose the ACLU, who are not members of the community, has the community's, and not their own, best interests in mind.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: Bluntone22

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: Bluntone22

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: Bluntone22
This play is an after school activity and is performed by volunteers. No student is required to participate or attend the event. Nothing is being forced on the students.

Irrelevant. Government taxes are still paying for it. The taxpayers are paying for lights, janitors and for the clean up and set up of the scenes.

And they would be paying the same amount if the play was about romeo and Juliette.

What religion is Romeo and Juliette about?

Does the subject matter of the play have anything to do with the cost of the play? The school and the public will be paying the same amount of money for the production.

Of course subject matter is important. Government taxes cannot be used to promote religion. By using a nativity scene they are promoting Christianity. It would help had you actually read the thread before commenting.

And the government should not use money on trees
which are religious symbols for Wiccans and Pagens
for their winter celebrations.

And the government should not use money on lights
as Pagans, modern Pagans, worship Sun Gods and
use lights as symbols for sun gods in their winter
celebration.

Both are not just Christian symbols of a
winter Holy Day,
they are also symbols of Holy Days for
several other religions in the US today.

Separation of religion and state,
so by law these symbols must also go
or the cities/state are putting up
religious symbols for religious groups.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

That's totally out of context. Not unexpected.

It's in context. You just fail to see it. Not unexpected.

Saint Nicholas doesn't look like a white dude

Fox News lied to me!

Not to panic everybody.
Megyn Kelly says there is a simple solution to fix this.
Just adjust the brightness and contrast settings on your monitors.

originally posted by: rockintitz
a reply to: buster2010

What is being forced on you?

So you have to walk past a barn with a baby and some old dudes?

I'm not Christian but this hypersensitivity to everything is getting old.

If they dont believe in it , why is it offensive?

Im not offended by statues of Roman gods

Im not offended by The Tooth Fairy

Thats what I dont get, how can you be offended by something you dont put any credit in

People have lost their testicles, their backbones, and have become so thin skinned its a wonder how they dont bleed out every time they leave their homes

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

Of course, the community stands behind the school, the play etc. But I suppose the ACLU, who are not members of the community, has the community's, and not their own, best interests in mind.

We are not a majority rule government.

We are a secular Separation of Church and State government.

The ACLU is on the side of law.

Sorry...I just have to do this. I have no impulse control.

a reply to: Annee

And which law would that be?

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: grandmakdw
But yet, a Christian
and truly a large number of Christians
agree with abolishing Christmas
the way it stands now.

Why ban it, though??? Why not just let individuals enjoy and celebrate the winter solstice any way they want?

...be it Christian or Pagen
they all lead back to religion.

Things CHANGE. Christmas (TO SOME) has become a totally secular holiday. Why not just let it be? Celebrate it OR NOT how you want to.

I have known people who refrain from presents, decoration, etc, and actually celebrate the birth of Christ (does it really matter that they're doing it on the wrong DAY???) They are not celebrating the DAY, they're celebrating the birth of the man they consider to be their savior.

I don't understand the need to BAN something for everyone, just because you don't agree with it.

But by celebrating Christmas
if you are an anti-theist
you are being a hypocrite to
the max.


Why are you celebrating
a religion that you say
is intolerant
is persecuting others
killed others hundreds of years ago?

If you celebrate Winter Holiday
and eschew Christmas then you
are celebrating
corporate greed
gluttony that leads to obesity
destroying the financial lives of those who feel compelled to celebrate
using up precious carbon based resources with the excess of lights

So if you say ok,
I celebrate corporate greed
once a year
and obesity once a year
and the destruction of personal finances once a year.
More power to you.

a reply to: grandmakdw

Atheists can still choose to get together with friends and family during a time that many people are off work and school and celebrate whatever they wish to celebrate. Believing in a higher power or not doesn't preclude any of that.

The vast, vast, VAST majority of atheists are not waging any kind of war on Christmas, any religion, or any religious holidays or people. That's the point to consider here, internet.

originally posted by: grandmakdw

Separation of religion and state,
so by law these symbols must also go
or the cities/state are putting up
religious symbols for religious groups.

Hell froze. I agree.

Some cities have citizen committees that use only private donations for holiday displays. If it's religious themed it needs to be on private property.

Secular decorations help promote business and local involvement. That is a good thing.

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
Sorry...I just have to do this. I have no impulse control.

is he throwing a Fruit cake?

If so that falls under WMD

a reply to: ~Lucidity

The vast, vast, VAST majority of atheists are not waging any kind of war on Christmas, any religion, or any religious holidays or people. That's the point to consider here, internet.

Yet you'll support the use of the state to stop school plays because there's a baby Jesus in it.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Annee

And which law would that be?

Legal precedent has been set in past cases of schools and Separation of Church and State.

a reply to: Annee

Legal precedent has been set in past cases of schools and Separation of Church and State.

They have been set in past cases of freedom of religion too.

Separation of church and state is not any sort of law. It is a principle.

I have the ultimate solution that gives an amazing rush (speaking from experience)

1. Go to hardware store and purchase the most expensive Axe you can find.
2. Go home and practice chopping with your axe, tell your axe how much you love it.
3. Give your axe a name, I called mine "max power" (thanks Homer)
4. Go inside and clear the lounge of all loose objects.
5. Put the TV on FOX (or CNN or your most unfavourite channel)
6. You give yourself 1 shot, and one shot only.
7. Put your axe through the TV.
8. Do not remove axe - ever.

This advice is free, take it or leave it..........and live and let live.

The End.