The Fox News 'War On Christmas' Panic Is Already Starting

a reply to: rockintitz

because kids are easily manipulated and influenced
(same reason you cant market cigarettes on tv....its the cool normal thing.....everyone does it.....all your friends even!)
you are essentially brainwashing them and bribing them with goodies


that is completely unacceptable

if you want to indoctrinate your own kids and force your beliefs on them before they can think for themselves thats your business
but how dare you presume the right to do that to other peoples kids

I thought we in Europe had lost our mind since for the last 3 years there has been a fierce debate about black pete, the counterpart of sinterklaas.
While the roots are within the old germanic mythology, some people have linked it with slavery and racism, that is what the non-debate is about.

Stunning to read about the fight against christmas, whatever happened to 'live and let live'?

a reply to: ~Lucidity

The vast, vast, VAST majority of atheists are not waging any kind of war on Christmas, any religion, or any religious holidays or people. That's the point to consider here, internet.

Kinda like how muslims are not waging jihad on the west.

Yet the majority of the violence acts are made by muslims just as the majority of attacks on Christmas is done by atheist.

Why is it that Christmas has become commercialised, but Hannukah hasn't? Why are we not lighting oil lamps, roasting brisket and sending our friends little dreidles? It doesn't make sense why it has to be a Christian festival.

We should ban all effigies of Santa IMO..

The reason the season has been highjacked for the almighty dollar is that we as society and specifically Christians have forgotten that this day is a celebration of the birth our Lord Jesus.

If we started calling it Jesus day, I think people would start remembering it for what it is.. Instead of a gift giving fiesta.


Don't get me started on Easter...

originally posted by: fartlordsupreme
a reply to: rockintitz

because kids are easily manipulated and influenced
(same reason you cant market cigarettes on tv....its the cool normal thing.....everyone does it.....all your friends even!)
you are essentially brainwashing them and bribing them with goodies


that is completely unacceptable

if you want to indoctrinate your own kids and force your beliefs on them before they can think for themselves thats your business
but how dare you presume the right to do that to other peoples kids

If your kids minds are so frail that "Merry Christmas" or a nativity scene totally Brainwashes them then that is your failure as a parent, not the failure from someone else.......

Seriously if its THAT easy for your kids to be traumatized by it, please for the love of god, keep MUSIC, Videogames, TV, and anythign they can read away from them

THATS how stupid your argument is

Also I find it Ironic someone with that username, is trying to talk about some sort of perceived morality

And If I accidentally say "Happy Holidays" to a Christian, does that make me a warrior against Christmas? Or just a normal guy who is celebrating the Holidays...including the end of the year, new years eve and also has Jewish friends? Can we not celebrate all the Holidays.

In the same vein, I also say Merry Christmas a lot and even say that to atheists! The Horror!

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Annee

Legal precedent has been set in past cases of schools and Separation of Church and State.

They have been set in past cases of freedom of religion too.

Separation of church and state is not any sort of law. It is a principle.

Very few cases of religion in school has won. (Except private expression)

Recently a cheer team won to put scripture on their banners. It will be challenged.

Society evolves. Majority of Separation of Church and State cases have been successful and set precedent.

originally posted by: Antidisestablishment
Why is it that Christmas has become commercialised, but Hannukah hasn't? Why are we not lighting oil lamps, roasting brisket and sending our friends little dreidles? It doesn't make sense why it has to be a Christian festival.

You think Hannukah hasn't been commercialized?

originally posted by: amazing
And If I accidentally say "Happy Holidays" to a Christian, does that make me a warrior against Christmas? Or just a normal guy who is celebrating the Holidays...including the end of the year, new years eve and also has Jewish friends? Can we not celebrate all the Holidays.

In the same vein, I also say Merry Christmas a lot and even say that to atheists! The Horror!

No, I dont think anything of it

Ive had people say , Namaste, Happy Holidays, God Bless you, Shalom, As-salamu alaykum, and many other religious greetings from various backgrounds

I have never ever ever been offended, and im Christian

Thats why I dont get why so many people get so offended by Merry Christmas

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
a reply to: grandmakdw

Atheists can still choose to get together with friends and family during a time that many people are off work and school and celebrate whatever they wish to celebrate. Believing in a higher power or not doesn't preclude any of that.

The vast, vast, VAST majority of atheists are not waging any kind of war on Christmas, any religion, or any religious holidays or people. That's the point to consider here, internet.

I don't disagree with you.

However, atheists and anti-theists should avoid the word Christmas as it means Christ's Mass,
they should not use the word Holiday as it means Holy Day.
They should not have Santa as Santa is directly derived from Saint Nicholas.
or they are being hypocrites.

They can get together with friends
and drink too much and eat too much
and celebrate gluttony if they want,
more power to them

They can spend their last dime
buying gifts that will be returned
and support the corporate American greed
if they want to,
more power to them.

They can put up tacky and gaudy
displays that make the carbon footprint
gigantic during that time of year
if they want to,
more power to them.

I simply ask that they be honest
with themselves and us.

Don't use the word Christmas
if you are an anti-theist
Do recognize what you are
really doing,
celebrating corporate greed,
obesity,
and the unnecessary use of carbon.

At least have the guts to be honest
and call it something like
Corporate Greed Day
or
Greed and Gluttony Day
that is celebrated warmly
and nicely with friends.

Please go ahead, but see it for what
it really is. Live and let live, but
don't steal the name of Christ
or a Saint or that which is Holy
when you do it.

a reply to: amazing
It makes you sound like a person content with the holidays.

Now if one is forced to say happy holidays in lieu of other phrases then that is another story.

Saying whatever salutations that fit ones beliefs is a good thing and should be promoted and accepted by all in good faith.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: ~Lucidity

The vast, vast, VAST majority of atheists are not waging any kind of war on Christmas, any religion, or any religious holidays or people. That's the point to consider here, internet.

Yet you'll support the use of the state to stop school plays because there's a baby Jesus in it.

How the # did you come to that conclusion?

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
If your kids minds are so frail that "Merry Christmas" or a nativity scene totally Brainwashes them then that is your failure as a parent, not the failure from someone else.......

I'd say it's about placement. It does not belong in public (government) school or on any government property.

Private property? Go for it.

I teach my grandson to say both: "Merry Christmas" --- "Happy Holiday". It's about making the receiver of the message smile.

a reply to: Antidisestablishment

Why is it that Christmas has become commercialised, but Hannukah hasn't?

It depends on who you talk to.

A friend of mine used to have a Hanukkah bush at her home during the holidays. (For the record, it was her construction to show her support in our celebration of our religious holiday.

But back then we lived in a live and let live kind of community.

Yes, and our children celebrated with their friends when they celebrated their individual holidays and rituals. They learned their beliefs and they learned to respect their differences.

What the hell happened to our world?

Everyone doesn't have to like you or even agree with you. What happened to different strokes for different folks?

I didn't mind my children learning about other peoples and thier cultures. But I spent time talking, playing, exposing, teaching and listening to my children.

I prefer them being exposed to different cultures and religions than I do to them being exposed to hate, sex, rape, killings and bigotry, yet that is spread throughout the media without any demands to abolish it.

I am amazed constantly at how amazingly predictable, and how we continue to allow ourselves to be so damn manipulated. We have become spontaneous receptors and distributors of their data. Each of us doing our part in keeping the nodes open and sending those evil little data packets on to their destinations.

We have truly become our own enemy.

originally posted by: deadeyedick
a reply to: ~Lucidity

The vast, vast, VAST majority of atheists are not waging any kind of war on Christmas, any religion, or any religious holidays or people. That's the point to consider here, internet.

Kinda like how muslims are not waging jihad on the west.

Yet the majority of the violence acts are made by muslims just as the majority of attacks on Christmas is done by atheist.

Can you please provide some comprehensive numbers of these "attacks" on Christmas by atheists?

originally posted by: deadeyedick
a reply to: ~Lucidity

The vast, vast, VAST majority of atheists are not waging any kind of war on Christmas, any religion, or any religious holidays or people. That's the point to consider here, internet.

Kinda like how muslims are not waging jihad on the west.

Yet the majority of the violence acts are made by muslims just as the majority of attacks on Christmas is done by atheist.

Newsflash: Atheists celebrate Christmas too. It's more than just a Christian holiday. Though atheists would prefer not having to look at Christian Christmas imagery at government buildings the same as the rest of year.

Explain to me why during the holidays that Separation of Church and State is supposed to not apply suddenly.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

I have never ever ever been offended, and im Christian

I've had a Christian go off on me for saying "Happy Holidays".