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It should be taken with a grain of salt.
Posting anything bad about Russia would be in benefit to the US fiat and her wall street owners anyway.
originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: BlubberyConspiracy
It should be taken with a grain of salt.
So are you saying the fact about Russian troops being killed in Ukraine is a big lie because it was reported in Forbes?
I guess the other stories from soldiers families and their own admission of being in Ukraine is false also?
Posting anything bad about Russia would be in benefit to the US fiat and her wall street owners anyway.
And what about posting what really happened and is happening what benefit does that give the US and it's wall street owners?
Because Russian troops are dying in Ukraine and Russia is lying to their own people about it.
originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
Care to provide anything that backs this claim?
Watch this 8 minutes of Victoria Nuland
I think that independently from your perspective on the subject, you should understand why I made such a claim
originally posted by: Mastronaut
originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
No, they don't - that is illegal under international law. Certainly countries can be concerned about the happenings in their neighbors - but they do NOT get the right to interfere just because they share a land border - no more than the US has the right to support separatists in Mexico or Canada.
Or supporting rebels in Syria?
originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
Iraq and Turkey and Saudia Arabia al support rebels in Syria too - it is an international effort.
Ukraine is solely Russia's fault.
But if that is the way yo feel, presumably you are against them supporting the rebels in Transnistria, or Nagoro Karabash
originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: Mastronaut
And I asked if you could back that claim, so can you?
originally posted by: Mastronaut
originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
Iraq and Turkey and Saudia Arabia al support rebels in Syria too - it is an international effort.
Ukraine is solely Russia's fault.
But if that is the way yo feel, presumably you are against them supporting the rebels in Transnistria, or Nagoro Karabash
It is a criminal effort by rogue countries for a very specific interest. And it's generally like this in most of the cases in history too. So you are saying that the double standard doesn't exists because others did aswell. So if Russia supported Hezbollah or the Houti is ok because there is more than a country doing it?
originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
No - I am saying that a double standard DOES exist because you are only applying your own standard to "the west", and conveniently ignoring what Russia does that is just as bad.
originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
Actual evidence is more than you saying so.
Where is the $5 billion now"?? for example - who said it? Who paid it?
For example we have ample evidence of the Kremlin paying Yanukovich $3 billion "now" and $12 billion "to come" in 2013 - ther is evidence all over the place...but stranglely little or nothing to support your contention.
originally posted by: Mastronaut
And guess who's behind the IMF or what nations have a say in its policies?
Thought it was obvious. I said "bribed by the IMF", ie "we give you 5b now (and maybe 18b later) as long as you put our people in place of Yanukovich, and forget ruskies debts". I don't think I need to link you the intercepted calls, do I?
If you meant "can you prove with documents that ukraine was bribed" I don't even know if the IMF can be sued, so I think no, it's a claim I take the ownership of, not a provable fact (at least now).
And guess who's behind the IMF or what nations have a say in its policies?
The Board of Governors is the highest decision-making body of the IMF. It consists of one governor and one alternate governor for each member country. The governor is appointed by the member country and is usually the minister of finance or the head of the central bank.
Decisions are made by a majority of votes cast, unless otherwise specified in the Articles of Agreement.
No I am notm I am saying they are BOTH equally wrong, but in the end only one side is getting the piss of the sanctions.
originally posted by: Mastronaut
originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
No - I am saying that a double standard DOES exist because you are only applying your own standard to "the west", and conveniently ignoring what Russia does that is just as bad.
No I am notm I am saying they are BOTH equally wrong, but in the end only one side is getting the piss of the sanctions.
Voting power varies on certain matters pertaining to the General Department with use of the Fund's resources in that Department.
So you just make claims and can't provide anything to back the claim...so what your saying is you just threw that out there hoping someone wouldn't ask for proof...guess that strategy didn't work did it?
You do know that the 5 billion dollars was done over a decade long before Yanukovych was in power?
In an eight minute, 46 second speech at the National Press Club sponsored by the US-Ukraine Foundation, Chevron, and Ukraine-in-Washington Lobby Group, Nuland boasted that Washington has spent $5 billion to foment agitation to bring Ukraine into the EU. Once captured by the EU, Ukraine will be “helped” by the West acting through the IMF. Nuland, of course, presented the IMF as Ukraine’s rescuer, not as the iron hand of the West that will squeeze all life out of Ukraine’s struggling economy.
Nuland’s audience consisted of all the people who will be enriched by the looting and by connections to a Washington-appointed Ukrainian government.