The Right Wing is Very Afraid of Bernie Sanders

...and you should be too. He is literally a socialist.

originally posted by: Pants3204
...and you should be too. He is literally a socialist.

I find that to be quite refreshing. This country could use a little socialism.

I'm still up in the air on whether or not Sanders will get my vote, though.

originally posted by: Pants3204
He is literally a socialist.

He's actually a Democratic Socialist

Democratic Socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically to meet human needs, not to make profits for a few.
...
DSA is the major organization on the American left with an all-embracing moral vision, systematic social analysis, and political praxis rooted in the quest for radical democracy, social freedom, and individual liberties.
—Cornel West,
DSA Honorary Chair

I don't know about you, but I think it's about time this country is run to meet the needs of its people, rather than have them starving in the streets while the 1% decide which yacht to take out today...

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

It's kind of strange how he is willing to admire a candidate for Candor, and yet doesn't recognize that there was nothing but spin (not candor) in dredging up an old opinion piece (and seems kind of thoughtful), that has nothing to do with anything about the man's performance in elected office other than to say the person can be lucid and entertain a few different ideas (without being mired to any particular one).

Extra irony; more than half of the people watching Fox likely would support some very sexist notions of woman and men's roles and preferences. And yes, there are probably a lot of women with Rape fantasies -- but that doesn't mean most women or even a few want rape. There's a huge chasm between notions that excite us (like battling in armor during some chivalrous war) versus reality (like getting limbs hacked off as happened in wars for the economic benefit of kings).


I haven't logged on an posted on this website in a long time. But it's encouraging to see less praising of Ayn Rand and active consideration of Bernie Sanders. Hopefully all the "extreme survivalists" that used to be here have moved on to greener bunkers.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: Pants3204
He is literally a socialist.

He's actually a Democratic Socialist

Democratic Socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically to meet human needs, not to make profits for a few.
...
DSA is the major organization on the American left with an all-embracing moral vision, systematic social analysis, and political praxis rooted in the quest for radical democracy, social freedom, and individual liberties.
—Cornel West,
DSA Honorary Chair

I don't know about you, but I think it's about time this country is run to meet the needs of its people, rather than have them starving in the streets while the 1% decide which yacht to take out today...

After all the economic insecurity, the college loans turning young workers into serfs and the dead-end intern jobs that lead to low-paying jobs that require high skills -- I don't think this new generation of Millennials is at all afraid of the "Socialist" term. Bernie may get the old voter vote because he is old (and let's face it, old folks vote a LOT), and get the millennial.

Yes, the media -- not just Fox -- will do it's best to paint him as an extremist while they put paint on the sows ears that are the current candidates, but I think the media noise and spin machines are having less and less effect. People recognize that it's cross-chatter of another reality where life is fair and all we have to worry about is the fringe and terrorism. Real people don't give a rats ass about terrorism, or gay marriage -- they just want jobs and a way to support their families.

Bernie proposing a $15 minimum wage is the "chicken in every pot" speech of Herbert Hoover. Well -- he lied, but it did get him elected. Then he proceeded to sell out to the .1%. I expect Hillary and a few others will pick up on promising more to the lower classes this time around. Though the Republicans and Hillary are cringeworthy to me. She does another accent to sound like she's from down south and I'm voting for Ron Paul.

originally posted by: HUMBLEONE

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
I read the whole essay, and I found it disgusting.......

1. It wasnt FOX that broke this story

2......Does it matter WHEN he did it?

3. The man is running in the Democratic party who are the supposed "paragons" of Womens Rights......and the guy pinned a rape fantasy story......

Spin it however you want.......

Slam FOX news if you want...

But the responsibility lays squarely at the feet of Bernie.....

That being said, I find Bernie Refreshing, hes a self avowed Socialist and makes no appologies for it....

I dont agree with him at all, but it is nice to have some honesty about presidential hopefuls intentions.....

All this argument and for what? Do you actually think that this voting thing is on the level? Do you actually think that your vote counts? Seriously? Do you really think that they are going to let Bermie win? Do you think Bernie knows that the whole system is a sham? I mean how could he not? What we need is a total change in consciousness. This sham needs your energy to survive, so starve it. Don't feed it your energy, your emotions, your fear, your anxiety, your worries. do not participate. Bernie is part of the dog and pony show. PEACE.

While I agree we should not feed our "emotions" into the elections. And that Bernie is a long-shot. And to some extent, the elections are rigged at least with a few percentages manipulated by voting machines and disenfranchising voters. I don't think everything is orchestrated. Apathy is also no way to let your courage rot and leads to feelings of being powerless.

People can still be activists and still do a lot in their local communities. Right now; people are pushing back on Police misconduct -- and that makes a HUGE difference in your life if you ever happen to be on the wrong end of a cop and a quota system. My defender of the status quo is 100 times more likely to shoot me than someone overseas upset at our military exploration of resources or propping up of their regime.

Massive voter turnout will have an effect. There is a difference between Republicans and Democrats (but not much). But if we stop pushing -- it just moves towards the .1%... At no time in history has there not been this attempt to make everything great for the .1% at the expense of everyone else -- so get pushing.

It's a messed up, dirty system but if you don't get your hands dirty -- you let them win. Fighting and losing is a lot healthier than giving in and we have many occasions in history where people who didn't know any better effected real change that made life better.

a reply to: Pants3204

Oh dear God NO!!!!

Do you know his policies???

Have you listened to his speeches???

Have you researched his long record and it's consistency of voting???

Do you know anything about him other than that label which I doubt you even understand the meaning of and how it's applied to Sanders???

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
I read the whole essay, and I found it disgusting.......

1. It wasnt FOX that broke this story

2......Does it matter WHEN he did it?

3. The man is running in the Democratic party who are the supposed "paragons" of Womens Rights......and the guy pinned a rape fantasy story......

Spin it however you want.......

Slam FOX news if you want...

But the responsibility lays squarely at the feet of Bernie.....

That being said, I find Bernie Refreshing, hes a self avowed Socialist and makes no appologies for it....

I don't agree with him at all, but it is nice to have some honesty about presidential hopefuls intentions.....

I know you aren't that gullible just from your post. The Democratic party doesn't give a crap about women's rights, gay rights, black rights or any of what they claim. Never have and never will. What they DO give a crap about is getting votes in any way possible, which is lying. They lie and idiots believe them. They vote for them so the Dems pretend to give a crap. The new people they care about are illegal aliens...more votes. But look at their history. What have the Democrats and the Democrats alone done for anyone?

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
desperately afraid the Right is of Bernie Sanders...

No, I think the problem is that the right is afraid of sex and sexuality, be it fantasized, fetishist, hetero, or of the homo variety. If it's not a man and a woman in the missionary position making babies, it scares the bejeezus out of them..

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Everything you just said is completely void of any any substance or context. You could say the exact same thing about Republicans. About the only difference is that part about immigration and even that is just a facade anyway because they just do it differently.

In fact you could say almost that very same thing with any group and have same result. Plus this thread is about Sanders and not the Democratic Party anyway. He's actually an Independent but has to run under the Dems because our system is so screwed up that for anyone to be taken seriously they have to be under the banner of either Dems or Reps.

The right is afraid of Bernie Sanders like the left is afraid of Michelle Bachmann.

You are making a serious claim with this thread? Or did I miss the joke...

a reply to: OpenMindedRealist

I'd say that is pretty much just the general rule that is always at play. Sanders is a little different however in that he's not a sell out like the rest.

Like with Hillary, the Right doesn't like her any more than Sanders but for different reasons. Hillary is a sell out to different buyers which is why they don't like her. Sanders on the other hand makes no secrets about the fact that he'll go after them and change things.

Similar to how Warren scares them too. Sanders and Warren are both very capable and the Right knows if they get authority they can and will screw up the Elite Rich Mans Game.

In fact, there are plenty on the Left who are scared by Sanders too. The Elite Rich Mans Game is being played by those on the Left as well and Bernie will hit them like those on the Right.

a reply to: mOjOm

Capability and policies are for the televised debates. I hate to use this term, but 'electability' is the first hurdle for any candidate. It starts with image and persona. Party affiliation is next, and then talking points and rhetoric (only if there is time; the Kardashians come on in ten minutes). Sadly that's as far as most Americans go when vetting a candidate.

As you say, Bernie makes no attempt to hide his socialist views, and he's 100% committed to the cause. Bachmann is the same in regards to her Christian beliefs. They're on opposite ends of the political spectrum, and both entirely unelectable in this political climate.

a reply to: OpenMindedRealist

Ya, which is too bad for the people of this nation as we're being destroyed right now and the future will only make it worse. Sanders is the only chance there is but like you say, his image isn't exactly dripping with charisma. But he's the one guy who will do what he says and says what he means.

Speaking of Michelle and Bernie, did you ever see this one??? There are a couple times where Sanders gets a look on his face when Michelle keeps blabbing that makes me laugh so hard!!

a reply to: redtic

Really, because I'm conservative and female and I can assure you that my female partner and I most definitely are not afraid of sexuality.

There are A LOT of gay people who are conservative.

So I would say your pot shot about sexuality is unfounded.

No matter how much you would like to white wash all of us into your tiny "they're all religious fanatics scared of sex" box

Sex is one thing. Getting gang raped is another

What I can't fathom is how the democrats and indeed people on this thread are defending this writing , however accuse conservatives of being discriminatory to women.

It's glaring hypocrisy. And honestly down right stupidity

a reply to: Lgbtlivesmatter

Are you trying to say that women don't have "Rape Fantasies"??? Every woman I've ever talked to has them. But you also have to keep in mind that they don't exactly mean "Rape" like getting the sh*t beat out of you and abused sexually. Rape fantasy is more like a very strong seduction and being overwhelmed in a way.

It's not "Gang Rape" in the way you're using it. As a woman I'm sure you know the difference in what I'm trying to illustrate too and to suggest that Sanders is a closet Rapist is just f*cking stupid. He's talking about Fantasy the same way Romance Novels or even bondage fetishes play out.

It's about dominance and submission and being forced but not really forced because you kinda want it but want someone to take you kind of against your will, but not really. Ask any psychologist and they'll tell you the same thing. Everyone has had those fantasies to some degree or another and it's not about "Rape" in the general sense like it's used today.

a reply to: mOjOm

Careful...statements like that will have the Lena Dunhams of the world clawing your eyes out with one hand and ripping your clothes off with the other. Not sure which is worse coming from her.

a reply to: OpenMindedRealist

I don't know anything about her or her views. Why do you think she'd claw my eyes out for saying what I did???

There is nothing offensive about what I'm talking about. It's not about Abusing anyone. I personally think "Rape" is the most vile form of abuse you can do to someone. Death IMO would probably be better since it ends there. Rape doesn't. But "Rape Fantasy" isn't that kind of "Rape" for either person involved, man or woman. It's just called that.

originally posted by: Lgbtlivesmatter
a reply to: redtic
Sex is one thing. Getting gang raped is another

As has been stated, rape fantasies are common...and anyone who claims otherwise is simply mis-informed.

a reply to: mOjOm

No need to defend your statements, I was not offended and in my experience what you say is true.

My reply was an attempt at humor. I amuse myself to no end, but it's often confounding to those around me.