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Longwood bakery takes heat for refusing to make anti-gay cake
When a caller asked Sharon Haller to make a sheet cake with an anti-gay-marriage message, the Longwood baker thought it was a prank and hung up.
But a day later, Haller was still dealing with threats and other fallout after a video of the conversation was posted online.
"People said we should go kill ourselves," said Haller, owner of Cut the Cake bakery. "They are being very threatening."
The video was only online for a few hours, but it was long enough for supporters of the caller — Arizona evangelist Joshua Feuerstein — to barrage the bakery with phone calls and Facebook messages containing insults, threats and accusations of being anti-Christian.
In the Thursday video, Feuerstein calls the bakery and says, "We need a sheet cake, and we need it to say, 'We do not support gay marriage.'"
"Is this a crank call?" Haller asks. "No, we wouldn't do that. Sorry."
After Haller hung up, Feuerstein continued in the nearly four-minute video to criticize her, the bakery and gay-marriage supporters for being intolerant of religious beliefs.
The video was taken down, but Cut the Cake re-posted it Friday.
Cyndol Knarr, Haller's daughter who works at the bakery, said they put it back up after the wave of criticism turned into support.
"Thank you, Thank you, Thank you! For standing up for what is right," said one Facebook post.
The video came after this week's controversial proposed law in Indiana allowing businesses to decline service based on religious beliefs, including opposition to homosexuality and gay marriage.
"We had hundreds of calls. It was every 30 seconds," Haller said in an interview Friday.
Haller said she has spoken with the FBI and has been asked to keep track of calls.
"We're just kind of scared right now," Haller said.
FBI officials could not be reached for comment.
The video could violate a Florida law that requires consent of all parties to record a telephone conversation, said Andrea Flynn Mogensen, a Sarasota lawyer who specializes in civil-liberty cases.
"The same statute that criminalizes recording phone calls also criminalizes posting it and publishing it," Mogensen said.
The law applies even if the call was placed from outside Florida. Recording conversations without consent is a third-degree felony punishable by up to five years in prison.
Feuerstein has a history of attacking atheists and gay-marriage proponents. According to his website, he is a former pastor in Fountain Hills, Ariz., and a "former television and radio evangelist who now uses social media to share his personal story of redemption and the hope of how Jesus Christ can heal a hurting heart!"
He did not respond to e-mail requests for comment.
Cut the Cake does not advertise itself as a gay or gay-friendly bakery, but it has appeared on third-party websites as a business that has done work for gay weddings.
"We work with the gay community; we work with everybody of all religions or whoever," Haller said.
originally posted by: muse7
I also wonder if the Christian Defense Brigade we see in every thread will come in here and defend the "right of these Muslim bakeries to deny service to anyone."
I hate every religion equally and I don't think that any religion should be exempt from the same scrutiny that Christians receive.
originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: mOjOm
I've had Baptists tell me that they are nowhere near what the Catholics believe and yet they are the ones who got their beliefs from Catholics!
So yeah it does get blurry.
originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Annee
i don't blame gays for that. what i'm saying is more gays are born into high population areas.
re you HIGH? Baptist get their religion from John the Baptist LMAO. You know, Jesus' cousin!!! The one who was his mentor!! Catholics came a lot later.
During the Protestant Reformation, the Church of England (Anglicans) separated from the Roman Catholic Church. There were some Christians who were not content with the achievements of the mainstream Protestant Reformation.
Historians trace the earliest Baptist church back to 1609 in Amsterdam, with John Smyth as its pastor. Even prior to that, in 1606, John Smyth, a Fellow of Christ's College, Cambridge, had broken his ties with the Church of England. Reared in the Church of England, he became "Puritan, English Separatist, and then a Baptist Separatist," and ended his days working with the Mennonites.
Thanks for the laughs.
originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Annee
there's some research on this on a rat population or mouse population (one of those), regarding the change in behavior, whether sexual or otherwise, in high density populations, and there's a pretty strong uptick, percentage wise, in gay mice the more dense the population. if i remembering this correctly. and we are seeing the same thing in human populations.
In a 1962 edition of Scientific American, the ecologist John B Calhoun presented the results of a macabre series of experiments conducted at the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH).1 He had placed several rats in a laboratory in a converted barn where – protected from disease and predation and supplied with food, water and bedding – they bred rapidly. The one thing they were lacking was space, a fact that became increasingly problematic as what he liked to describe as his “rat city” and “rodent utopia” teemed with animals. Unwanted social contact occurred with increasing frequency, leading to increased stress and aggression. Following the work of the physiologist, Hans Selye, it seemed that the adrenal system offered the standard binary solution: fight or flight.2 But in the sealed enclosure, flight was impossible. Violence quickly spiralled out of control. Cannibalism and infanticide followed. Males became hypersexual, pansexual and, an increasing proportion, homosexual. Calhoun called this vortex “a behavioural sink”. Their numbers fell into terminal decline and the population tailed off to extinction.