Can someone show me evidence of man being created from dirt?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: spy66

And faith has nothing to do with proof.

Yes faith is very much related to proof. But it is also related Our knowledge, and that makes Our faith take different paths. We humans have faith in many Things. Not just God and religion.

a reply to: spy66

Again you are getting into epistemology. Why?

a reply to: spy66

Yes faith is very much related to proof.

Not directly. A lack of proof cannot remove faith.

But inversely. Proof of the contrary can. In a reasonable person.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: spy66

It is common sense that if you jump of a tall ledge you might die. It is common sense that a specific snake bite will kill you.

See now you contradicted yourself. You said you have faith in science and yet you just now said it's common sense which requires no faith.

It requires no faith.

You have to understand that it is the faith that would make you do the action.

Okay..Let me ask you. How do you get ridd of faith? How do you do that?

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: spy66

And faith has nothing to do with proof.

Yes faith is very much related to proof. But it is also related Our knowledge, and that makes Our faith take different paths. We humans have faith in many Things. Not just God and religion.

How exactly is faith related to proof when one of the accepted definitions is -

b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: spy66

Yes faith is very much related to proof.

Not directly. A lack of proof cannot remove faith.

But inversely. Proof of the contrary can. In a reasonable person.

Proof cant remove faith either. How do you remove faith?

a reply to: spy66
By demonstrating it wrong.
People once had faith that the Sun moved around the Earth.

Now, it's probably not possible to demonstrate that God does not exist so that one is pretty safe.

originally posted by: peter vlar

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: spy66

And faith has nothing to do with proof.

Yes faith is very much related to proof. But it is also related Our knowledge, and that makes Our faith take different paths. We humans have faith in many Things. Not just God and religion.

How exactly is faith related to proof when one of the accepted definitions is -

b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust

as i posted before if you raise a person in a box where would their faith come from if they kniw nothing but the box unless there is a truly supernatural force giving them faith

originally posted by: peter vlar

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: spy66

And faith has nothing to do with proof.

Yes faith is very much related to proof. But it is also related Our knowledge, and that makes Our faith take different paths. We humans have faith in many Things. Not just God and religion.

How exactly is faith related to proof when one of the accepted definitions is -

b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust

Why dont you bring up the other definitions ?

Faith is more than that.

a reply to: spy66

I do not understand the question.

I have monitor and keyboard here and I am typing to you. Why do I have to have faith in that? They are right there!

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: spy66
By demonstrating it wrong.
People once had faith that the Sun moved around the Earth.

Yes People had faith in the knowledge they were served.

Now we know better and have faith in that Earth moves around the sun. Dont you?

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: spy66

I do not understand the question.

I have monitor and keyboard here and I am typing to you. Why do I have to have faith in that? They are right there!

I bet you have faith in that i am wrong.

a reply to: spy66

Now we know better and have faith in that Earth moves around the sun. Dont you?

No we don't. We have astronauts and satellites up there. We have telescopes. You can see for yourself. Requires no faith.

a reply to: spy66

Yes People had faith in the knowledge they were served.

Actually it was more that people had faith in their mistaken observation that the Earth doesn't move.

Now we know better and have faith in that Earth moves around the sun. Dont you?

Yes. The faith was proven wrong by evidence. Not by a lack of evidence.

Faith persists only by a lack of evidence, it is dispelled by evidence. Proof is not found in a lack of evidence, it is demonstrated by evidence. That's what I said.

Faith and proof are apples and oranges.

Lol so much back and forth

a reply to: spy66

1

a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty

b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions

2

a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion

b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust

3

: something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs

Is that more to your liking? it doesn't change the fact that what I previously posted is in fact one of the accepted definitions. You can't create your own arbitrary definition to suit your argument, particularly when it is in complete opposition to one of the accepted definitions, even moreso when not one of the accepted definitions even alludes to your statements regarding the relationship between faith and proof. They have nothing to do with one another.

Do you see now why I wanted YOUR definition of what you meant by human? arbitrarily redefining things will lead to lack of continuity in the question/answer paradigm.

a reply to: Phage

Actually it was more that people had faith in their mistaken observation that the Earth doesn't move.

Exactly. They had faith in their mistaken observation. You have faith in Your observations dont you??? What is the difference? They had faith in their observation, and you have faith in Yours. There is no difference.

The only difference is that you have changed out Your faith With the Word proof. You are just hiding the core for the sake of Your argument.

a reply to: spy66

You have faith in Your observations dont you???

I told you I question my understanding on an ongoing basis.

They had faith in their observation, and you have faith in Yours. There is no difference.

Not all of them. Galileo comes to mind. And yes, there is a difference, especially when it comes to a matter of faith in the Biblical version of creation, which is really what this thread is about.

Where's Joe dirt ?

a reply to: randyvs

Grand Canyon.

Last time I saw 'im.