Over 40 Ways Putin’s Russia is Alarmingly Reminiscent of 1930s Nazi Germany

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

"No resources left for offensive operations"--Poroshenko Advisor Biryukov

I see lots of ethinic Russian names in the Kiev administration and also in the Ukes Army. Are these guys loyal to the Junta's cause or just trying to keep their jobs?

Is Porky also ethnic Russian? His father was Jewish but took wife's surname to mix well into Ukraine's society.

a reply to: Echtelion

Not very brilliant I might say... Fortunately Putin will not be reading your comment. Nobody who isn't insane wants nukes to be used in any war...

If he actually does read it then he might ask the advisors to find an equally effective weapon that gets the job done but is not classified under the WMDs. Too many innocent civilians have been killed by shelling practices of Nazi Army.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord
Because I think most of the Western media is run by neocons, who are really neo-fascist. Their nice "business" or even "liberal" appearance betrays some hardcore political beliefs.

Look into the research done by Mae Brussels... it's pretty damn shocking. The people, including most of the establishment, have been lied to about the post-war offspring of the Nazi regime. They still think, among many other deluded, paper-thin beliefs, that only the Germans had adopted the eugenicist and national socialist agenda of Hitler, while it was very present in the US already. Now you got corporate socialists threatening everyone with wars and the TPP. It's the same people.

originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: Echtelion

Not very brilliant I might say... Fortunately Putin will not be reading your comment. Nobody who isn't insane wants nukes to be used in any war...

If he actually does read it then he might ask the advisors to find an equally effective weapon that gets the job done but is not classified under the WMDs. Too many innocent civilians have been killed by shelling practices of Nazi Army.

Yes but a nuke in Kiev will result in a nuclear conflict that will cause hundreds of millions of innocent civilians being killed, in a few hours. There's a reason why both US and Russia are known to hire the most serious and rational persons as commanders of their respective nuclear arsenals.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

* - You ignored Russian actions that are in the same category as you claim for Ukraine.
* - You once again lumped all Ukrainians who dont support Russia as Nazis.


As a side note to the thread in general.
Some have argued about NATO and its proximity to Russia borders and have invoked the security argument. If we got back to WWII and look at the USSR invasion of Finland we find these justifications -

Winter War - 1939-1940

The Soviet Union ostensibly sought to claim parts of Finnish territory, demanding—amongst other concessions—that Finland cede substantial border territories in exchange for land elsewhere, claiming security reasons, primarily the protection of Leningrad, which was only 32 km (20 mi) from the Finnish border.

Finland refused and the USSR invaded the country. Many sources conclude that the Soviet Union had intended to conquer all of Finland, and use the establishment of the puppet Finnish Communist government and the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact's secret protocols as proof of this, while other sources argue against this idea of a full Soviet conquest.

Considering the USSR possessed more than three times as many soldiers as the Finns, thirty times as many aircraft, and a hundred times as many tanks.

Finland was no threat.

a reply to: BornAgainAlien


You support the claims with blogs?

lol

a reply to: Echtelion

please show me how all Ukrainians are Nazis.

Russia has ultra nationalist / Nazis in its government. Are you supporting those Nazis?

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Again - feel free to provide a list of the Nazis in the Ukraine government. Or are you suggesting all Ukrainians re Nazis?

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: FormOfTheLord



* - You ignored Russian actions that are in the same category as you claim for Ukraine.

* - You once again lumped all Ukrainians who dont support Russia as Nazis.

Dont tell lies about me, I have said multiple times racism everywhere is wrong, go back and look, and then you owe me an apology.
Support for racists isnt acceptable in any country many people may have an agenda which supports racists who are in power and are doing Nazi salutes.

If there is a riot in LA we talk about the rioters in LA

If there are Nazis in Ukraine commiting genocide we talk about the Nazis in Ukraine commiting genocide.

Talk about them where they are and call them out, in any country.
However there is an amassing of racism and Nazism in Ukraine and it needs to be discussed, those who support Nazism need to be outed for the racists they are, whoever they are wherever they are.

originally posted by: victor7
Are these guys loyal to the Junta's cause or just trying to keep their jobs?

Considering Russia has accepted / recognized the results of all Ukrainian elections your continued use of the term "junta" is problematic. Why ignore the facts?

Vilifying a government that was lawfully elected via propaganda was a tactic the Nazis used as well.

originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: Echtelion

Not very brilliant I might say... Fortunately Putin will not be reading your comment. Nobody who isn't insane wants nukes to be used in any war...

If he actually does read it then he might ask the advisors to find an equally effective weapon that gets the job done but is not classified under the WMDs. Too many innocent civilians have been killed by shelling practices of Nazi Army.

Radiation and nuclear fallout does not stop at the border.

I dont understand why you cant see that.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Once again you ignored Russia.

You write these statements in such a manner that you wont use Russia's name.

Do you support Russia knowing they have done the same as you accuse Kiev of doing?

a reply to: Xcathdra

The irony !

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: Xcathdra

The irony !

I never passed off the op source as a media outlet. I stated I agree with the observations made and added my own. I also pointed out the word reminescent was used by the source.

There is a notable difference between my post / source and the claims you just made.

Blog

: a Web site that contains online personal reflections, comments, and often hyperlinks provided by the writer; also : the contents of such a site

Emphasis added by me


The again referenced 50k killed comment is not supported by anyone right now, including the UN, Ukraine and Russia - where all have stated the counts were in the 5k.

In the new regime, Paribiy became appointed to become the chief of national security, and the top person overseeing the war against “ATO” ‘Anti Terrorist Operation’ to exterminate the residents in the formerly Ukrainian area, Donbass, the area which had voted 90% for the overthrown President Viktor Yanukovych, and which consequently rejected this new regime, which Washington violently imposed to replace him.

Yeah no lies in there...

However its good to see how the author of those articles thinks. Just make it up as he goes along.

A technique that would make Goebbels proud, to bring it back on topic.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: FormOfTheLord



* - You ignored Russian actions that are in the same category as you claim for Ukraine.

* - You once again lumped all Ukrainians who dont support Russia as Nazis.

Dont tell lies about me, I have said multiple times racism everywhere is wrong, go back and look, and then you owe me an apology.
Support for racists isnt acceptable in any country many people may have an agenda which supports racists who are in power and are doing Nazi salutes.

If there is a riot in LA we talk about the rioters in LA

If there are Nazis in Ukraine commiting genocide we talk about the Nazis in Ukraine commiting genocide.

Talk about them where they are and call them out, in any country.
However there is an amassing of racism and Nazism in Ukraine and it needs to be discussed, those who support Nazism need to be outed for the racists they are, whoever they are wherever they are.

Well said again, but I don't think the person (or agent) you're replying to has any interest in being accountable for his support of overtly racist and neo-fascist scumbags in Ukraine, nor for his war-mongering... especially not by going to fight in Ukraine on his own against the "Evil Russian Invader". Such honesty would be too much to ask I presume. Much easier to help spreading war-mongering from the comfort of some North American suburbia (or government office).

So I suggest you do not pay more attention or lose more time than you deem proper with this... member.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: FormOfTheLord



Once again you ignored Russia.



You write these statements in such a manner that you wont use Russia's name.



Do you support Russia knowing they have done the same as you accuse Kiev of doing?

Sounds to me like you have blind support for those calling themselves Nazis and refuse to see them for what they are, and instead of discuss what they are and the ideology they have come to adopt you deflect to Russia, its similar to talking about the KKK in the US and then someone keeps on defending them saying we need to look at racism against whites in Mexico. Utter BS.

That your not addressing the Nazis in Ukraine and thier racism is very telling.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord



I answered the questions posed to me about Nazis and their ideology.

i am asking you if you are so against people acting like Nazis then do you support Russia?

Its a simple question and its one you apparently are going to refuse to answer. Should we assume you support the Nazi elements in the Russian government?

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: FormOfTheLord







I answered the questions posed to me about Nazis and their ideology.



i am asking you if you are so against people acting like Nazis then do you support Russia?



Its a simple question and its one you apparently are going to refuse to answer. Should we assume you support the Nazi elements in the Russian government?

Dude I support the human race everywhere wether in Ukraine, Russia, USA, China, or on another planet.

I am just wondering why you keep defending the Nazis elements of Ukraine, like you arent speaking about the Sieg Hails people are doing and calls for genocide, not only that they are doing it, they are slaughtering Russians over there for nothing more than thier ethnic background, then you say the Russians leader is a Nazi, which is total BS. So your in support of a government that is passing Nazi laws, doing Nazi genocide, allowing Nazi symbolism, but banning communist symbolism, and then say you dont support the Nazis in Ukraine?

If the racist Far Right Nazi Sector wasnt being propped up by the government and wasnt part of the government which is also supported by the people, there wouldnt be a war now would there be?

If you support a racist Nazi themed government then you support Nazis, how can you not see this, and it has zero to do with Russia at all.

originally posted by: Echtelion

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: Xcathdra

a reply to: FormOfTheLord
* - You ignored Russian actions that are in the same category as you claim for Ukraine.



* - You once again lumped all Ukrainians who dont support Russia as Nazis.

Dont tell lies about me, I have said multiple times racism everywhere is wrong, go back and look, and then you owe me an apology.

Support for racists isnt acceptable in any country many people may have an agenda which supports racists who are in power and are doing Nazi salutes.



If there is a riot in LA we talk about the rioters in LA



If there are Nazis in Ukraine commiting genocide we talk about the Nazis in Ukraine commiting genocide.



Talk about them where they are and call them out, in any country.

However there is an amassing of racism and Nazism in Ukraine and it needs to be discussed, those who support Nazism need to be outed for the racists they are, whoever they are wherever they are.

Well said again, but I don't think the person (or agent) you're replying to has any interest in being accountable for his support of overtly racist and neo-fascist scumbags in Ukraine, nor for his war-mongering... especially not by going to fight in Ukraine on his own against the "Evil Russian Invader". Such honesty would be too much to ask I presume. Much easier to help spreading war-mongering from the comfort of some North American suburbia (or government office).
So I suggest you do not pay more attention or lose more time than you deem proper with this... member.

Well he isnt alone, and its not about him, alot of people support the Nazis and the Nazi elements in Ukraines government I think its important to talk about the genocide being done by the self proclaimed Nazis and those who support what they are doing and call them out on it.

There is alot of ignorance about this issue especially in the US and Eu due to propaganda, and I think if people really knew that we are siding with Nazi genocide we might be able to spread awareness and stop t from becoming a bigger problem. We dont want to see a nuclear armed Nazi regime. If they arent Nazis then they will renounce the Nazi Far Right elements in thier government but they arent doing that. They are embracing it and giving them weapons to commit genocide, and its time we called a racist spade a racist spade.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Well I can't agree more on that... Not just because the Neonazis of Ukraine are NATO's achilles heel (part of the why their media is muffling it at least as much as UFOs or the violence against Native American people), but more importantly because their aggressive political violence has caused too many deaths already (numbers are now ranging from 50 000 to 100 000) through their OVERT ethnic cleansing agenda of the Russians of Ukraine, and may cause a lot more if they get to be heavily armed, trained and maybe staffed by NATO forces.