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Over 40 Ways Putin’s Russia is Alarmingly Reminiscent of 1930s Nazi Germany

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posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 01:54 PM
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The quotation wand't from Rudling's paper, as far as I could tell. I gave my reaction to that paper at length, and you have said nothing about that. Instead, you are quibbling about irrelevant tangential minutae. Please stop playing games. A reply to: sosobad




posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 01:56 PM
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I mean what's laughable about this thread is you've just posted a list of points which you expect everyone to just accept at face value.

You haven't elaborated on any of them and then have the gall to call others for not providing sources and refuting the claims.

I think Russia is more like Imperial Germany prior to 1914.

Don't ask me to expand upon why. If you disagree you need to provide sources and evidence.



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 01:58 PM
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originally posted by: DJW001
The quotation wand't from Rudling's paper, as far as I could tell. I gave my reaction to that paper at length, and you have said nothing about that. Instead, you are quibbling about irrelevant tangential minutae. Please stop playing games. A reply to: sosobad



Yes it was, in the conclusion on page 25 if you had actually read it you would know that. You are asserting that your US question is relevant to what I posted, so how?



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 01:59 PM
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ScientificRailGun - I point you towards Xcathdia's posts, that is blantant Ukraine Media line. So some members for what ever reason blindly do this. Maybe there is a reason for this, are they working for someone? After all the whole purpose of this site is to question for the truth. At least I hope that questioning things is the reason for ATS.

The evidence of the building burning in Odessa has been gone over again and again and new evidence has emerged. It is pretty obvious from statements and video footage that the far right did this act. Just like the far right were the ones that started the shooting at the maidan protests.



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 02:04 PM
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posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 02:14 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

About infoagestrategy


The above link shows the person who created the blog. Has a photo and some info:




Competitive Intelligence professional, former U.S. Army Foreign Area Officer (FAO), and Information Operations practitioner with 30 years' experience in the intelligence community. Focused on opportunities and threats, strategy and security in the Information Age.



Here is the Twitter account too

Twitter

I mean...I'm not saying anything here, but I'll leave it to others users to make their own mind up.



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 02:18 PM
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And how you can defend and explain this debauchery in Ukranian Rada ?


You do understand that fighting in the Ukrainian parliament is nothing new...







So your video looks like it's just a normal day in the Ukrainian parliament.



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 02:18 PM
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originally posted by: DJW001
As members of a community dedicated to denying ignorance




originally posted by: DJW001
This scholar has the usual left leaning bias of academia


Original

I wouldnt be to quick in thanking me for linking that article to be honest, seems to have only confused you even more, sorry.
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posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 02:26 PM
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a reply to: ModerateManiac




Russia indeed shows signs of becoming a Fascist country, even though the most extreme aspects of National Socialism are absent. While I don't like him personally I doubt Putin is actually planning a genocide.


Russians have figured out that outright freedom makes them go out of control like in 1990s. Strong arm of the law is what they understand (like most of the third world nations) and that's what Putin brings. Call it oppressive or Nazi oriented or human rights violation.............which it is none!

One thing I find little uneasy about Putin policy in Ukraine is inducing civil war in a country results in lots of killing and destruction and hence misery for the human beings. Both Ukes and NAF have lost good 10K soldiers KIA, probably 20K WIA, 5K civilians killed, lots of public property broken or destroyed.

Kremlin could have been more creative and efficient about the Novorossiya project. They could have engineered another coup or Maidan in Kiev and gotten friendlies in power, or provided lots and lots of heavy weapons to NAF right from the start so that Kiev would have not want to play war or sent in Russian troops right upfront in the name of peacekeepers to keep both sides from fighting.

Currently not even full DNR and LPR territories are in control and immense amount of damage and killings have already taken place. Just like Nazis, the Ukes Army is purposefully destroying the infrastructure of Donbass. Every single day more hatred is brewing in this war and in the middle common vulnerable people are suffering.

Kremlin needs more creativity and efficiency in the geopolitics.



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 02:36 PM
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Page 25? The paper starts in the 200s. a reply to: sosobad



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 02:40 PM
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a reply to: victor7

Exactly. Because it was russian diplomats caught on tape bragging about the billions they spent to overthrow the government and put yats in power. Oops!



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 02:44 PM
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The Return of the Ukrainian Far Right

Page 247, it was actually page 19 for PDF.
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posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 02:50 PM
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Please explain. I quoted the article (giving page numbers, as is required in this case) and showed how it explained some of the misperceptions that Russian propaganda has been exploiting. Right Sector is not running the government, and I believe Svoboda has ceased to exist as a political entity. Are you saying that any attempt to create a national identity is somehow threatening? I believe I have made it clear that I find some of the choices that Yushchenko's comittee made were questionable, but, as I have been at pains to emphasize, building a new nation from scratch is not easy. A reply to: Dabrazzo


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posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 02:58 PM
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I forgive you for calling me a liar. Thank you for the correct page number. I will look it up when I am on a device that will allow me to open a PDF.



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 02:59 PM
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originally posted by: pexx421
a reply to: victor7

Exactly. Because it was russian diplomats caught on tape bragging about the billions they spent to overthrow the government and put yats in power. Oops!


$5B spent to put Yats in power is peanuts to 100s of billions worth of property blown up, 10s of thousands killed and families in suffering etc. Or do the lives of people NOT matter in the ex-commie nations?

Russia wants to control nations on its sphere but goes about doing that in an expensive manner. $200B worth of subsidies given to Ukraine over last 20 years meant nothing and when time came they were more than happy to show Russia the finger and did Maidan to join the EU.



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 03:02 PM
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a reply to: DJW001

For that I apologize. But I fail to see how you have read it if you can't open it.



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 03:10 PM
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a reply to: victor7

I like what you did there with shifting the argument. You stated that Russia induced a civil war. I point out the us ambassador clearly stating that we did it. You then proceed to blame all the damage resulting from the war ( instigated by us)on Russia.



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 03:58 PM
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The US instigated Regime Change, as per American Policy. Remember Victoria Nuland and Fu$k the EU?



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 04:15 PM
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originally posted by: Reinmax
The US instigated Regime Change, as per American Policy. Remember Victoria Nuland and Fu$k the EU?



How can our empire of absolute Kindness be doing anything evil at all?



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 04:19 PM
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Russia did induce the civil war..................but its reasons are more than justified.

For Russia, Ukraine is of immense importance when it comes to military, economics, internal politics matters. NATO in Ukraine would mean only 200 odd miles to Moscow. NATO BMDs in Ukraine would mean cancelling out of Russia's nuclear deterrence and Russia being treated like other third world nations.

However, Kremlin could have been more efficient about matters. Well being of peoples should be given more priority over any topic like international image etc. Russia could have and still say that if Ukes shell the civilian areas then Russians will throw efforts to liquidate those artillery batteries, even if that requires participation of RuAF or cruise missiles or anti-artillery radars given to NAF etc.



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