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Dont lie on me I am not calling all the Ukrainian people Nazis, I am calling the ones who declare themselves Nazis just what they are, Nazis. I am not calling other ATS members Nazis at all, I am however asking why someone would defend and support Nazi groups or a partially Nazi government in Ukraine which is commiting genocide. How could anyone in thier right mind support racism and genocide?
To white wash it like its not happening is wrong, racists and need to be called out wherever they may be, wether at home or abroad.
I am not calling all the Ukrainian citizens Nazis either, I am pointing at the Nazi elements which have been spreading thier ideology in Ukraine and become part of thier government.
You seem to want to not call them out on the genocide they are commiting against people.
People just dont get ballistic missles and fire them at civilians for any other reason than genocide.
That your not wanting to have a discussion and talk about the Nazis in Ukraine and the racist ideology they have instead your defending them for some reasons of your own.
People want to look the other way when the self proclaimed Nazis in Ukraine themselves have adoped Nazi swastikas do Sieg Hails and are commiting race based genocide, its rather sickening
To support Nazis, the KKK or any other racist group is just wrong.
Not saying anyone is a Nazi unless they are doing Sieg Hails and calling for a racist genocide, and also call themselves Nazis, then yeah I guess I would just have to agree with them as to what they are claiming to be.
In all three reports, Secretary of State John Kerry was broadcast saying that the US wanted a diplomatic, peaceful solution, but that the Russians were blocking a peaceful solution by sending tank columns and troops into Ukraine. On my return trip, I heard over NPR Kerry twice more repeating the unsupported claim that Russian tanks and troops are pouring into Ukraine. Obviously, NPR was serving as a propaganda voice that Russia was invading Ukraine.
Think about this for a minute. We have been hearing from high US government officials, including the president himself, for months and months about Russian tank columns and troops entering Ukraine. The Russian government denies this steadfastly, but, of course, we cannot trust the now-demonized Russians. We are not allowed to believe them, because they are positioned as the Enemy, and good patriotic Americans never believe the Enemy.
But how can we help but believe the Russians? If all these Russian tank columns and troops that have allegedly been pouring into Ukraine were real, Washington’s puppet government in Kiev would have fallen sometime last year, and the conflict would be over. Anyone with a brain knows this.
If all these Russian tank columns and troops that have allegedly been pouring into Ukraine were real, Washington’s puppet government in Kiev would have fallen sometime last year, and the conflict would be over. Anyone with a brain knows this.
originally posted by: Reinmax
Well, going back to what BAA said above. I certainly wouldn't believe the Independents or the Unionists, they both seem to be not pulling back or abiding by the cease fire. As for the US, EU and Russia they all have their end goals. I wouldn't be surprised if at least both the EU and Russia both want the cease fire to work and both are saying ... "F**k!" Russia and the EU have nothing to gain over a major war.
originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: pexx421
If 5000 members of the US 101st went on vacation to Russia with their weapons and equipment how do you think Russia would perceive their presence on Russian soil?
The same holds for Ukraine. Russia is present on their soil and the rebels are an extension of that Russian invasion.
Ukraine has every right to defend itself from Russia.
Just as Russia would if our troops went on vacation with their equipment to Russia.
originally posted by: midicon
The truth is you just go from nonsense to nonsense. How about 25 thousand Russian troops in Crimea, not being on vacation but based there long before the US contrived destabilisation? Perhaps you missed that.
originally posted by: midicon
Hey how is the US foreign policy working out? How does it go...# the EU and # Russia. Sounds about right.
originally posted by: midicon How does it go...# the EU and # Russia. Sounds about right.
originally posted by: Xcathdra
originally posted by: midicon
The truth is you just go from nonsense to nonsense. How about 25 thousand Russian troops in Crimea, not being on vacation but based there long before the US contrived destabilisation? Perhaps you missed that.
Speaking of nonsense the Russian troops in crimea were present as part of an agreement between Ukraine and Russia. Those troops were restricted in numbers amd type of equipment allowed in their section. ANY changes ot that agreement had to be submitted to Kiev and approved. Russia never did this.
Secondly the agreement prohibits Russian military to have their weapons while off base (unless coming to Crimea or back to Russia). They are prohibited from venturing out into the cities and country side while armed.
The troops with no insignias were Russian military units (as Putin lied about and then finally acknowledged). They entered Ukraine in violation of the treaties and proceeded to occupy Crimea before ANY of the illegal votes occurred. When you send armed forces into another country and occupy territory its an act of war.
its the same thing Russia did in Georgia.
its the same thing Russia did in Moldova.
The destabilization accusation towards the west is a myth and has been debunked many times over now. The destabilization occurred when Russia invaded Ukraine and then supported irregular Russian forces in east/south Ukraine.
If you are going to participate maybe you should learn the topic and research it before trying to make a claim that has no basis in the discussion.
As for the US and EU foreign policy - aside from Ukraine just fine.
Since the ruble is continuing to crash, the world has refused to recognize Crimea as a part of Russia, the UN general assembly has denounced Russian action in Ukraine, Russia has been caught supplying the rebels while also sending in Russian military units, inflation is massive in Russia and they are being sanctioned by nations which extend beyond Europe, followed up by Putins abnormal obsession with trying to prove to the west he is important while at the same time he drives Russia into the ground and starts to dig...
originally posted by: midicon
Hey how is the US foreign policy working out? How does it go...# the EU and # Russia. Sounds about right.
I think the "How's your foreign policy working out" question should be directed at Putin. He might find some time to answer you after he offers yet more excuses on his involvement in Ukraine.
originally posted by: midicon How does it go...# the EU and # Russia. Sounds about right.
The point you missed is even after the US took that approach we are still able to work with our European allies and other nations around the globe. While you and Putin do not understand democracy, it allows nations to disagree with each other. Nations will always have differing views on any number of topics.
In this case the Ukraine people told Russia, to use your terminology, to "# off". Instead of discussing the issues with Ukraine Russia just invaded them.
Putins running out of people to blame for his failures. I would imagine we will see more and more advisors of Putin be dismissed in addition to ministers in some of their economic areas.
You up to speed now?