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Over 40 Ways Putin’s Russia is Alarmingly Reminiscent of 1930s Nazi Germany

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posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 04:22 PM
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originally posted by: sosobad
a reply to: DJW001

For that I apologize. But I fail to see how you have read it if you can't open it.


I read it at home then switched to a tablet while hanging out at a cafe. (That explains subtle differences in my posting style, by the way.)

You are right; in this context it is referring to Ukrainian intellectuals. Normally intellectuals tend to have liberal, leftist politics, but in the case of a nation in its birth pangs, the intellectuals are often the ones creating the "national mythology." France had the Encyclopediasts, who created a nation founded on Reason, which then gave birth to Bonapartism, Germany had Prussianism, Humboltism, and Romanticism, which eventually gave birth to Wagnerism and, finally, Nazism, post Communist Russia has had a cadre of former University professors get rich in the new economy, and who are now helping Putin to shape his "Third Rome" mythology.

Since their concern is with unreformed leftists wanting to rejoin the former Soviet Union in its new incarnation as the Russian Federation (as the newly elected Socialist government and its right wing allies in Greece is currently doing), the intellectuals assumed that the right wing, being nationalists by definition, would not pose a danger to their nation building project. What they did not anticipate is that the extreme factions were inimical to their liberalizing project.

Here is one intriguing statement from the paper:


By preventing Blok Yulii Tymoshenko (BYuT) from running in the Lviv local elections, and continuing the practice of granting Svoboda representatives disproportionate attention in the media, particularly TV, Yushchenko’s successor, Viktor Yanukovych, has indirectly aided Svoboda. Some analysts suggest even deeper connections: the political scientist Andreas Umland highlights the similarities of Svoboda and Yanukovych’s Party of Regions— the two parties share common authoritarian leanings and anti-Western attitudes—but points at “rumors that Tiahnybok’s association—evidently for reasons of political strategy—secretly received support from the Party of Regions, perhaps including financial infusions” (Umland, 2011). 17 Similarly, Tadeusz Olszan´ski at the Polish Center for Eastern Studies suggests that Svoboda could be utilized as a sort of ultra nationalist bogeyman to mobilize Yanukovych’s electorate (Olszan´ski, 2011). Tiahnybok, playing the role of Communist Party leader Symenenko in the 1998 elections in Ukraine or Le Pen in France in 2002, would help the political technologists of the Party of Regions to secure Yanukovych’s re-election in 2015 in the second round of the presidential elections.


[p.247] [Emphasis mine. --DJW001]

So... when the ultra-nationalists rioted... who were they taking orders from, really?




posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 04:24 PM
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originally posted by: GodEmperor
Sounds a lot like the Obama administration.

Zing!


Yeah, almost a mirror image of The US.

One difference is that the residing Admin only cedes power to the next puppet because they haven't figured a way to establish the dictatorship up front and center instead of the glossy cover they put on. But since they all party together in the background it really doesn't matter whose face is on the wall.

Other than that, pretty much identical.


Peace



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 04:26 PM
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originally posted by: Reinmax
The US instigated Regime Change, as per American Policy. Remember Victoria Nuland and Fu$k the EU?


If it weren't completely off topic, I'd ask you to explain how chaos in a potentially lucrative market for US and EU goods would benefit the US or EU.



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 04:36 PM
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a reply to: victor7

While I was never in Russia at the time of the fall of communism I always had the impression that the manner in which communism was dismantled (individuals dividing government assets between themselves disregarding public interests etc.) was the problem rather than too much freedom as such. Ideologically I would tend to be suspicious of any government that tells people they can't handle freedom. When, for instance, freedom of the press is limited (although I'm not saying Western media is problem free) and journalists and others critical of the state are unsafe it does constitute a human rights violation and definitely deserves to be called oppressive. Even if it's for "the good of the people" as it always is according to the state. I do admit though that these things are not unique to the Nazis and using the Nazi label too liberally makes it meaningless in the long run.



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 04:40 PM
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a reply to: DJW001

Are you really trying to say that Yanukovych was party to the riots from Svoboda and the ultra nationalists? How did that benefit him? I must point out one glaring problem with that assertion



similarities of Svoboda and Yanukovych’s Party of Regions— the two parties share common authoritarian leanings and anti-Western attitudes—but points at “rumors that Tiahnybok’s association


If and it is a very big if Yanukovych was involved what is his end game?



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 04:55 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

America is much closer to 1930s Germany than Russia. You see, Russians have always been subject to brutal authoritarian government and 1930s Russia was no different under Stalin. America however with the passing of the Patriot Act, NDAA and the creation of the Department of Homeland Security coupled with the fact that we have toppled countless regimes, invaded dozens of countries and waged war across the globe for 2 decades straight is DANGEROUSLY close to plummeting into the abyss that was 1930s Germany.

A true student of history doesn't let ideology get in the way of seeing the big picture and understanding what happens today is only paving the way for what happens tomorrow.



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 05:18 PM
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a reply to: sosobad


If and it is a very big if Yanukovych was involved what is his end game?


Declaration of martial law, followed by the assumption of extraordinary executive powers. Perhaps followed by an appeal to Russia for "peacekeepers." As it was, Yanukovych was recalled to Russia and the Kremlin used the chaos he left behind to seize Crimea, vital to its interests, and create problems for the "western leaning" government in Kyiv. If Putin can keep up the pressure, people may give up on centrist parties or even the very idea of parliamentary democracy.



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 05:49 PM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: sosobad


If and it is a very big if Yanukovych was involved what is his end game?


Declaration of martial law, followed by the assumption of extraordinary executive powers. Perhaps followed by an appeal to Russia for "peacekeepers." As it was, Yanukovych was recalled to Russia and the Kremlin used the chaos he left behind to seize Crimea, vital to its interests, and create problems for the "western leaning" government in Kyiv. If Putin can keep up the pressure, people may give up on centrist parties or even the very idea of parliamentary democracy.


That still doesn't show how it benefitted Yanukovych though, he lost his position and was forced to flee the country. What did he get out of it?



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 06:17 PM
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Considering this entire OP post is nothing but trolling by listing a series of assumptions without evidence and then requiring someone to refute them by using evidence ..... SHAME ON ATS ...... another limited psyop .....

This thread should be canned ... it is nothing but trolling ........

a reply to: Xcathdra



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 07:36 PM
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originally posted by: fnpmitchreturns
Considering this entire OP post is nothing but trolling by listing a series of assumptions without evidence and then requiring someone to refute them by using evidence ..... SHAME ON ATS ...... another limited psyop .....

This thread should be canned ... it is nothing but trolling ........

a reply to: Xcathdra



Agreed, another 'cut n paste' from a nutter source.

Reminds me of the logic from Full Metal Jacket. "If it runs its a VC, if it stands still its a well trained VC".
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posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 08:00 PM
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originally posted by: victor7
$5B spent to put Yats in power is peanuts to 100s of billions worth of property blown up, 10s of thousands killed and families in suffering etc.



how many times do we need to call this lie out by you guys?

The 5 billion the US spent in Ukraine started from when the USSR occupation ended to the present.

and you guys have the gal to say im spreading propaganda.
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posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 08:06 PM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h

And on the Russian side -










posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 08:08 PM
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a reply to: victor7

The US nmd has never had plans for deployment in Ukraine. If you have something that says otherwise please share it. If not, trying to justify Russian actions on a fallacy fails.



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 08:14 PM
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a reply to: Helious

and unlike Russia and Nazi Germany the US courts have stepped in and struck down portions of those laws, like the NDAA, indefinite detentions and it being forbidden to apply to US citizens.

Thus far the Nazi courts, under Roland Freisler, never questioned the laws the Nazi regime passed. The Russian courts did the same thing, and we see that in action in some of the rebel controlled areas where people have been executed by "drum head" where Soviet law was referenced.

Even in todays Russia we have judges who ignore the law and rubber stamp the accusations the government brings against people.



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 08:18 PM
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a reply to: fnpmitchreturns

What part of reminiscent confused you?



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 08:19 PM
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a reply to: Reinmax

Yes yes you have constantly bitched the last few pages.. Are you going to engage the topic or just continue bitching... if its the latter think you can bitch somewhere else so people don't have to dig through pages of your complaining while offering nothing to contribute?



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 08:25 PM
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Lets not forget what this war has always been about, and that is racist fascism and the passing of racist laws that the people in the east stood against. Banning the peoples Russian language and other facist racist policies led them to revolt against a repressive government that creates racist laws against Russian citizens who have lived in the country since its founding.

The embracing of the Nazi ideology is sickening to many and if you ask anyone what they are fighting against its fascism. That is why Crimea voted to no longer be part of Ukraine because of thier adoption of racist Nazi fascism and that which is considered a racist ideology.

This is the elephant in the room that no one wants to address in our western media.

Why America or the EU would support a government that supports fascist policies is beyond me, and that people get on board with the fascism or racism is disheartening.

Racism is bad and supporting those that have a racist agenda makes you party to that agenda as well.

If people dont support Nazism how could they support the people who have adopted a Nazi ideology of racism who wish to do an ethnic cleanse of thier country.

Its like supporting the KKK's war against non whites and genocide in the US then saying your not racist.

So my question is how could you support the racist fascism in Ukraine and not be racist?



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 08:27 PM
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a reply to: FormOfTheLord

One more time...

Support your claim that everyone in Ukraine who does not support Russia are Nazis.


Secondly if that's why Crimea left Ukraine, then why would they join a country, Russia, who has more neo Nazis in their government than Ukraine does. Not to mention Russia has the largest block of neo Nazi groups in all of Europe.

Are you sure you want to try and sell the Nazi excuse?

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posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 08:47 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: victor7

The US nmd has never had plans for deployment in Ukraine. If you have something that says otherwise please share it. If not, trying to justify Russian actions on a fallacy fails.



How long does it take for plans to change? Just like plans for NATO expansion changed and then US withdrew from the ABM treaty and now US is busy "weaponizing" the space. US wants to have BMDs in Poland and Czech republics and so on and so on!

It would be suicidally foolish for Russia to trust US/NATO anymore.

Now Putin has aggressively started to push back and West is having a "storm in the soup" already. Push Russia anymore and this storm will hit the US in the eyes.

Russia is not backing off from Ukraine...........because Russia cannot afford to! Sooner the western establishments understand this the sooner the threats of WW3 is removed from variables in our daily lives.



posted on Feb, 16 2015 @ 08:50 PM
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a reply to: victor7

plans to change is where your argument, again, fails.

You are trying to use the NMD as a justification while providing absolutely nothing to support your claim that it is intended for deployment in Ukraine.

If you have a source please post it. I would like to read about it.



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