Jesus Didn't Die For Your Sins to be Forgiven

a reply to: zazzafrazz
Amen(Ra).

That was a nice little sermon, Zazz. Let me know when the next one will be.

a reply to: Klassified

When the moon turns to blood red to signify the letting of a mans blood. A Viking wears a pink frock to the superbowl and a female becomes king of saudia arabia, then the so the prophets say the time shall be perfect for my return.

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: windword

Windword if I know you for anything it's for taking
scripture completely away from it's context. And your total
disbelief in the existence of Christ any way. So WTF are you
proving by being a hypocritical ass ?

I think what he is trying to point out is that--if a universal deity like Yahweh exists, one that can spin whole galaxies into being--his ego will not be damaged by a silly, human concept such as "belief in him."

Jesus was just teaching people the simple way to live. Humans took it and convoluted his simple teachings to promote the very behaviors that Jesus taught against.

a reply to: LewsTherinThelamon

You mean behavior like this?

a reply to: randyvs

I dont understand.

a reply to: zazzafrazz

And I can't even explain it myself.

a reply to: zazzafrazz

Wow! Fantastic post! Thanks for that!

a reply to: randyvs

LOL now that I can accept as a religious mystery.

a reply to: zazzafrazz

My best effort would be to show that, if Jesus didn't
die for our sins? You wouldn't be able to tell by the look
on their faces. Thanks for watching.

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: LewsTherinThelamon

You mean behavior like this?

Yes.

A galaxy-creator wouldn't care.

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: zazzafrazz

My best effort would be to show that, if Jesus didn't
die for our sins? You wouldn't be able to tell by the look
on their faces. Thanks for watching.

Wait whaaa? can you ask that again a little more explanation pretty please randyvs, I'm still not getting it.

a reply to: LewsTherinThelamon

A galaxy-creator wouldn't care.

That's just a mere and very unlikely, judgemental opinion.

a reply to: zazzafrazz

Over here we have junkyards called " Pick a part".

This one person dying in obscurity. And still has this effect
on human beings evrywhere. Except for those who must
be lacking something. No other name can transform people
like Jesus Christ. True or not?

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: LewsTherinThelamon

A galaxy-creator wouldn't care.

That's just a mere and very unlikely, judgemental opinion.

Unlikely by what measure?

Tell the cells in your body to believe in you.

a reply to: LewsTherinThelamon

Even the cells in my body have the sense to believe in Christ.

Unlikely that your opinion is correct. And something one
should appreciate of course.

a reply to: windword

Even as a Christian I have to admit, I have always found the concept of Christ's forgiveness confusing as well.
I believe he really did die for the world's sins, but I'm very confused why there seem to be so many following mandates in order to MAKE that forgiveness applicable in our lives.

Example.. If we are covered by the blood and believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God, came in the flesh, died for our sins, and rose again.. I always believed that would be enough to get you into heaven. But It seems like many traditions and interpretations, and troubling verses imply that it's more than that. And the " once saved/always saved theory isn't valid.

Only God knows...

a reply to: randyvs

Over here we have junkyards called " Pick a part".

This one person dying in obscurity. And still has this effect
on human beings evrywhere. Except for those who must
be lacking something. No other name can transform people
like Jesus Christ. True or not?

OK can we lower our discourse to Zazz is simple mysterious natter doesn't gel with me well. Be simple please Randyvs I can't handle mumbo jumbo. Are you suggesting they are in ecstasy because he died? I thought you posted the video as a joke ! Sorry .

OK now on to your last post, I think you are saying:

'No one in history death has changed people like Jesus and if his death didn't change them, that individual is lacking something.'
Well I wont address the "they are lacking" part as that's a weee bit condescending, but you are not alone, I see it often typically from a religious person who can't accept others don't need the same life understandings or beliefs as yourself . It is a little unchristian like but I 'aint here to judge your psyche nor spirit thats up to you to address..

Your other question, I would counter with; Has anyone elses death been so marketed and sold and forced on millions by institutions. ?
If Paul and Constantine didn't pop into the equations there would be no christian sect. They would have died out millennia ago. It is INSTITUTIONS that have made the change and kept his awareness alive as it served as a purpose of control and a way to make money and own property and lands AND own individuals. Had they not got involved you would never have heard of him, His death would have had NO impact on you nor me, nor anyone else int he 21st century.

Jesus is not responsible for his global fame, others had a hand in that.

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: LewsTherinThelamon

Even the cells in my body have the sense to believe in Christ.

What does that even mean? Cells don't believe in jesus. Sigh~

a reply to: freedom7

Even as a Christian I have to admit, I have always found the concept of Christ's forgiveness confusing as well.
I believe he really did die for the world's sins,

He was murdered not For but Because of the worlds sins
If the world was sinless he would have no reason to have come
And Yes he forgave those who trespassed against him for he knew they did so out of ignorance and fear

a reply to: zazzafrazz

Jesus is not responsible for his global fame, others had a hand in that.

Are you saying, the vehicle that delivers you to
an important destination is what matters most?
So material!

Also what may seem condescending to you my lady?
Is really the only excuse I can find, in many years of ponderings.