originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Rex282
Excellent post! Thank you!
The truth Yahoshua spoke was.. If you are not forgiven(freed from the bondage of their religion) you cannot free others from their religion.The order
of forgiveness is understood backwards.The creator God first forgives you (frees you from the bondage of your religion) THEN you can forgive others
(do unto others…)by preaching(stated by proclamation) the Good News… you WILL be freed.Yahoshua was making statements of “truth” not teaching
methods of religion. Yahoshuas proclamation statements(preaching) is based in reason not religious methodology.
originally posted by: windword
I’m glad you got the jest of some of what I wrote however you did not get my main point on forgiveness. Yahoshua said it to mean freed from
bondage…not pardoned of guilt.For example Yahoshua knew the pharisees are the one who set him up to be murdered.He called them before the act
hypocrites,blind fools,white washed tombs full of dead mans bones,a brood of Vipers(which probably meant effin assholes).He knew what these men
were.He dealt with them daily hell. they tried to murder him before they got him crucified.
Did Yahoshua ‘pardon them of their guilt”..... it sure doesn’t look like it by what he said to them.Did Yahoshua seem like a person to say one
thing and mean and do another.It is clear he did not pardon them of their guilt(what they did..their actions) because they were guilty and neither
will anyone else be pardoned of their guilt.
Man makes up religion to justify their actions…and that isn’t just herd religon(even though they have it perfected).Man walks around patting
themselves on the back for how “good” they are.Some are so fooled they even believe they do not sin (are matured) anymore.The whole exhibit is a
dog and pony show of “look what I can do mom!!!”.It’s ridiculous.Anyone that is doing good the left hand is not telling the right what it is
doing.There is no back patting because as soon as there is, it’s just the self righteousness of “their religion”.
The religious carnal mans concept of moral and ethics is completely twisted.They believe somehow a right can right a wrong.That’s complete
nonsense.Wrong is wrong and is always wrong.Every guilt of wrong will be accounted for.There is no pardoning of guilt.To focus in on the rules and
methods of ethics and morals and not "be" in a state of being is to strain out gnats and swallow camels.
Religion perceives everything through the false eyes of their morals and ethics and they “judge others BY and through their morals and ethics(the
tree of the knowledge of good and evil).Of course their tree acquits them of their guilt but condemns others.It is the nature of mans religion to
“act” accordingly because they are always “judging others” by their standard but do not "righteously" judge themselves by it(they are
acquitted)…and of course Christianity is the largest propagator of this perverted construct of “law”.It is cherry picking from their own tree by
gorging themselves on the fruit of their own tree and spitting the pits at those that can’t live up to their standards.Yahoshua had much to say on
this construct(Matthew 7) yet Christianity(and all religion) cannot hear it.
My suggestion is if you want to truly “follow” what Yahoshua said throw everything you think you know of what he said and did out..it is based on
the wrong premise.Yahoshua is not “teaching” a method to anyone on how to be “good”.He (not Paul) clearly stated none are good.He was not
teaching a new religion by religious method but was destroying religion!!I’m blown away that this is not COMPLETELY obvious.
The ones that seem to see it the most clearly are atheist.They steer clear of anything religion-religious(which is a good start).Many of them
“know” not to follow what Yahoshua said as a method of righteousness because that isn’t what makes someone “good” it only makes them....
Yahoshua wasn’t saying here’s the method for the cure for your disease(sin) he said you are dying and will DIE of your disease however that’s a
GOOD thing because THEN you can live.The very thing you believe is life is really death(full of dead mans bones).I don’t know how he could have been
more obvious yet it fly’s a billion trillion light years over the religious minded man head.
The bottom line is forgiveness(freed from bondage of religion) is GOOD..very, very, very good.To believe Yahoshua meant anything else will only get a
person stuck in their tree munching away on bad fruit…uhhh...cleanup on aisle 666….
edit on 3-1-2015 by Rex282 because: (no reason given)