ALERT — Russia Announces Deployment of Bombers Over Gulf of Mexico

a reply to: Aazadan

Exactly. It's not a big deal at all, except to scare people. It beats the early days of the Cold War when planes were shot to hell, and crews lost.

a reply to: Melbourne_Militia

China does not have the force projection to invade Taiwan... Trying to invade the US or another country like Australia would be next to impossible. Unless they pull a Soviet invasion by using commercial charter jets like the Soviets did in Afghanistan.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Sure they do. They train crews in long range navigation, air refueling, as well as other things that will come in handy for air crews, both military and civilian.

who actually cares? humans are not immortal, they will all die one day or the next. we have to accept that, if its war or aliens or whatever, why does it matter, we are all going to get it, to hell with russia and any one else looking to have a go. in time there will not be a trace of anything that happened on this rock of limitations, it will be as if humans never existed, and of course they wont at that point in time. what humans think important today, is irrelevant tomorrow. the story ends.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Xcathdra

Sure they do. They train crews in long range navigation, air refueling, as well as other things that will come in handy for air crews, both military and civilian.

Considering the technology and the current century I think they can find better things to do with their time..

a reply to: flipflop

Because there is a difference between going out on your own terms and going out because someone thousands of miles away thought the cold war was fun and wants to bring it back.

Right now I think alien contact is about the only thing that could save the human race.

a reply to: Xcathdra

So it's better to lose those skills, since it's the 21st Century, and we don't need them anymore? It makes a hell of a lot more sense to practice them and keep them than to rely solely on technology that could go down through various ways.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Spruce

You mean like every President since Reagan has sat there and said nothing? What exactly are they supposed to say? They're flying in international airspace, where they have every right to be, whenever they want to be there. "How dare you fly in international airspace near our territory. This is an outrage!" Something along those lines?

This is being so blown out of proportion that it's pathetic.

Well and yes but the good lord knows that Russia has always been respectful of air space and non-confrontational as a rule. As well as most of the better known cold war reds. North Korea and China always willing to give the benefit of the doubt in close calls, never firing missiles and rockets in a provocative sort of way.

a reply to: Logarock

Even if they enter the ADIZ, so what. How is that different than what we are doing at the same time? I love how it's ok for the US to do something, but let Russia do the same damn thing, and it's "Shoot them down!" or "How dare they!"

a reply to: Zaphod58

Poke back is what I say. How about daily flights along their coast? Maybe a few Ukrainian fly overs? Why not? If not, we look weaker and weaker on the world stage. It would at least show we have some balls. Right now we are the kid who gets his ass kicked for lunch money and bows to everyone. We are not the threat we once were and rely to much on technology. They are gutting the upper echelon of officers so there is less and less leadership.


Our actions are far from cold war standards.

a reply to: matafuchs

We are. There's a lot more going on than people know on our side, but it doesn't get reported by the media. The U-2s rotate through Korea every six months, and are constantly flying near China and North Korea, along with the P-8s that are in Japan currently, and the RC-135s that rotate every few months through Guam and Japan, as well as Alaska. The US is tighter on OPSEC, and doesn't announce things like this like Russia does.

a reply to: Zaphod58


This is really a poor time for Russia to be conducting long range flights with tactical aircraft in our back yard.

I would hope we are shadowing them with fighters.

Ok who's the IDIOT that woke the sleeping BEAR? BARRY!!! WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?

a reply to: Logarock

Any time they enter the ADIZ they are intercepted and escorted until they leave.

And they've been flying flights like these for years now, just not many into the Gulf.

I admit to not reading this thread in its entirety but here is link of interest I do think it plays into the game.
www.voltairenet.org...

I read this article this morning and if it is true to fact things might just not be what they seem.
Russian bombers are not to be taken for harmless flys in the sky if this article is legit.

Regards, Iwinder

a reply to: Zaphod58


Speaking from an international relations standpoint, right now they shouldn't be in the gulf. Thus cant be taken as anything but some level of provocation or flexing in light of current events.

a reply to: Iwinder

God I love that article. What a crock. About all it gets right is that the USS Donald Cook was in the Black Sea, and got buzzed by an Su-24 repeatedly, at close quarters.

Why would Russia display such a massive leap in technology, against a single destroyer, and give the US a chance to see what it can do. That makes no sense whatsoever. I liked the part about "all 27 crew members resigned". An Arleigh Burke has 280 crew members on board.

The best white world analysis of the Khibiny system puts it on par with the AN/ALR-56M used by the F-16 and C-130J in terms of EWSP. The West has an advantage through the use of GaAs computer chips, but it's gotten a lot slimmer than it used to be. Even the best Western systems can't do that to an Aegis though.

a reply to: Logarock

They've been doing that for awhile now with the way some of their pilots have been pushing interceptions, such as the Swiss aircraft that had an Su-27 50 feet off the wing, or the RC-135 that got chased through Swiss airspace.

a reply to: nukedog

Seriously? War mongering much?

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Iwinder

God I love that article. What a crock. About all it gets right is that the USS Donald Cook was in the Black Sea, and got buzzed by an Su-24 repeatedly, at close quarters.

Why would Russia display such a massive leap in technology, against a single destroyer, and give the US a chance to see what it can do. That makes no sense whatsoever. I liked the part about "all 27 crew members resigned". An Arleigh Burke has 280 crew members on board.

The best white world analysis of the Khibiny system puts it on par with the AN/ALR-56M used by the F-16 and C-130J in terms of EWSP. The West has an advantage through the use of GaAs computer chips, but it's gotten a lot slimmer than it used to be. Even the best Western systems can't do that to an Aegis though.

I am not claiming this article to be the truth but here is the part that you questioned first and nowhere does it say "All 27 crew members resigned"
Here is what you read as apposed to what you posted....

According to some specialized media, 27 sailors from the USS Donald Cook requested to be relieved from active service. Vladimir Balybine - director of the research center on electronic warfare and the evaluation of so-called "visibility reduction" techniques attached to the Russian Air Force Academy - made the following comment: "The more a radio-electronic system is complex, the easier it is to disable it through the use of electronic warfare." A video presentation of the US Aegis system. Currently installed on the most sophisticated US Navy warships and in the process of being set up throughout the entire range of NATO naval forces, this missile defense system was completely knocked out in the Black Sea by a Russian electronic warfare device. Visual display of the incident. Facebook Twitter Delicious Seenthis Digg RSS [1] “Pentagon Protests Russian Jet Buzzing Antimissile Ship in Black Sea”, Global Security Newswire, 15 April 2014. [2] Rossíyskaya Gazeta, 30 April 2014 edition. Voltaire Network Voltaire, international edition Focus News in Brief Controversies Diplomatic Wire

Anyways I always respect your opinion and your knowledge but in this case I question your reading ability.
Regards, Iwinder