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originally posted by: ladyinwaiting
I don't like "strangeness in my immediate vicinity" either, neno. I would have been terrified to see all those people on my property with guns. Good Lord, are they out of their minds? George must have done something really sinister to create such a response from swat?
Glad you are all okay. That could have had a terrible ending. I think one shot from you, and they might all have opened fire.
Would it help to file a complaint?
originally posted by: woodwardjnr
It's not so bad living in the UK, where stuff like this would never happen. I'm sure the cops have gone into the wrong house occasionally with the big red key, but I like the fact they're not armed to the teeth. Policing by consent. You should try it America. your police are out of control
originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: nenothtu
That could easily have gone pear-shaped if itchy trigger fingers was there. I got so into your story (as I always do with you) that I started reading in a Louisiana accent (I visited New Orleans last St Patricks) and it all just came together. Don't know if you're from down that way, but the whole place, and Mississippi was just amazing - unbelievably friendly folk.
What an awesome reality-check, my heart would've been pumpin!!
I can't believe your missus hasn't weighed-in yet, come on OpB, what say you?
originally posted by: Answer
Yeeeeahhhhh... sorry but the dialogue and level of detail alone give it away as a fabricated story.
Nice try but I've read way too many embellished internet stories and they all share some similarities: unnecessary level of detail, lots of bravado, unrealistic dialogue, unrealistic series of events, etc.
originally posted by: nenothtu
a reply to: Answer
You seem to be of the opinion that I care if you believe it or not.
I'm just explaining the situation as it unfolded - you can take from it what you want, or not.
Jeff Cooper's color code - Combat Mindset and the Cooper Color Code:
The most important means of surviving a lethal confrontation, according to Cooper, is neither the weapon nor the martial skills. The primary tool is the combat mindset, set forth in his book, Principles of Personal Defense. The color code, as originally introduced by Jeff Cooper, had nothing to do with tactical situations or alertness levels, but rather with one's state of mind. As taught by Cooper, it relates to the degree of peril you are willing to do something about and which allows you to move from one level of mindset to another to enable you to properly handle a given situation. Cooper did not claim to have invented anything in particular with the color code, but he was apparently the first to use it as an indication of mental state.
White: Unaware and unprepared. If attacked in Condition White, the only thing that may save you is the inadequacy or ineptitude of your attacker. When confronted by something nasty, your reaction will probably be "Oh my God! This can't be happening to me."
Yellow: Relaxed alert. No specific threat situation. Your mindset is that "today could be the day I may have to defend myself". You are simply aware that the world is a potentially unfriendly place and that you are prepared to defend yourself, if necessary. You use your eyes and ears, and realize that "I may have to shoot today". You don't have to be armed in this state, but if you are armed you should be in Condition Yellow. You should always be in Yellow whenever you are in unfamiliar surroundings or among people you don't know. You can remain in Yellow for long periods, as long as you are able to "Watch your six." (In aviation 12 o'clock refers to the direction in front of the aircraft's nose. Six o'clock is the blind spot behind the pilot.) In Yellow, you are "taking in" surrounding information in a relaxed but alert manner, like a continuous 360 degree radar sweep. As Cooper put it, "I might have to shoot."
Orange: Specific alert. Something is not quite right and has your attention. Your radar has picked up a specific alert. You shift your primary focus to determine if there is a threat (but you do not drop your six). Your mindset shifts to "I may have to shoot that person today", focusing on the specific target which has caused the escalation in alert status. In Condition Orange, you set a mental trigger: "If that person does "X", I will need to stop them". Your pistol usually remains holstered in this state. Staying in Orange can be a bit of a mental strain, but you can stay in it for as long as you need to. If the threat proves to be nothing, you shift back to Condition Yellow.
Red: Condition Red is fight. Your mental trigger (established back in Condition Orange) has been tripped. "If 'X' happens I will shoot that person" - 'X' has happened, the fight is on. The USMC uses condition Black, although it was not originally part of Cooper's Color Code. Condition Black: Catastrophic breakdown of mental and physical performance. Usually over 175 heartbeats per minute, increased heart rate becomes counter productive. May have stopped thinking correctly. This can happen when going from Condition White or Yellow immediately to Condition Red.In short, the Color Code helps you "think" in a fight. As the level of danger increases, your willingness to take certain actions increases. If you ever do go to Condition Red, the decision to use lethal force has already been made (your "mental trigger" has been tripped).
It blows me away that out in the middle of no-where, where you live, comes a SWAT team - looking for one single bloke!!
originally posted by: TDawgRex
a reply to: nenothtu
Hells Bells Neno! It sounds like a episode right out of "Justified".
I tend to think of rural LEO's as being better mannered than their city brethren. Not all but most are. If you were still here in Cleveland, chances are that you would not have even heard the shout of "Shooter!" until after the fact and were lying in a pool of your own blood.
ETA: Being raised country, I always nod and smile at people whenever I go places. I think it creeps out the city folk, so I do it a lot especially downtown.
Seems like your gun put yourself and your family in a potentially fatal situation
living your life in such are paranoid state that you would hear odd noises outside and go straight for a gun to shoot someone, rather than just using common sense and going for a torch to see whats going on.
Uhh... did you clean up my language for a reason... cause if I recall I didn't say "We live here" (all polite and nice... lol) I politely said "This is our goddamn house!" At the top of my lungs
originally posted by: OpinionatedB
a reply to: nenothtu
Uhh... did you clean up my language for a reason... cause if I recall I didn't say "We live here" (all polite and nice... lol) I politely said "This is our goddamn house!" At the top of my lungs...
As for me going back in the house... oh hell no... That was as fast as I could get my behind to your side in the first place (bad pain day that day) and if they were gonna be pointing guns at your head I was planning on bitching them to kingdom come, since it was my only available and useful weapon!
As for the rest, I think the cops did a good job of handling the situation honestly. They thought you were a guy who recently attempted to murder someone, and who was now armed and hallucinating. They did real good ... most city cops would have shot you dead coming out of the door armed and asked questions later.
And I'm proud of you too...I think everyone had their head on their shoulders that night, you included.
But never ever ever think for a minute I wont run by your side and yell at multiple armed persons. I will... its my job.
originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: nenothtu
maybe there's a good moral to this story about living your life in such are paranoid state that you would hear odd noises outside and go straight for a gun to shoot someone, rather than just using common sense and going for a torch to see whats going on.
Seems like your gun put yourself and your family in a potentially fatal situation.......... Just saying.