Scotland Vote No In Referendum – Selfish, Scared People, Well Done!

a reply to: Tedgoat

Do you even know what a Constitutional Monarchy is?.
Been working for many a year in the UK and will continue...do you know what happened when we got rid of them the last time?.
Look at history books.

a reply to: boymonkey74

Oh yeah, history books! BS to program the human mind with more BS especially when it comes to the Satanic Zionist Murdering Royal Family. Granted not all are Nazi's but most are. And they are guilty of some of the nastiest crimes against Humanity!

Who gives a Monkeys what happened (Excuse the pun!)

Please educate me boymonkey!

a reply to: uncommitted

I never mentioned UKIP.

Let me ask you another question. Do you think of yourself as:

a. 1st English 2nd British 3rd European
b. 1st English 2nd European 3rd British
c. 1st British 2nd English 3rd European
d. 1st British 2nd European 3rd English
e.1st European 2nd English 3rd British
f. 1st European 2nd British 3rd English

From your previous response I'd say your answer will be c.
But secretly you will be going for a.
No way will it be e. or f. or even d.

So whilst you keep trying to give the impression of being British, when it comes down to it I think you will say you are English.

I don't have any problem with that. I'm Scottish. That seems to cause problems for a lot of British people, including some Scottish people. Well I say Scottish but we must remember a lot of people living in Scotland are not Scottish, they could be English, or Irish, or Indian, or Chinese or from anywhere at all.

It will be interesting to see what happens when the European in/out referendum comes round. Yes a lot of English people are very proudly English and they don't like being told by Europe how they should run their lives. Quite right I say. A lot of Scottish people don't like being told by England or Europe how to run their lives. Personally in that referendum I will be voting to leave Europe.

What I'm trying to say is that in my opinion 'Scottish' people are proudly Scottish, 'English' people are proudly English. I don't think very many in Britain are proudly European, and think only a small percent are genuinely proudly British.

I think England should be run by English and Scotland should be run by Scots. Anything else is fake, forced and will not last.

originally posted by: bigyin
a reply to: uncommitted

I never mentioned UKIP.

Let me ask you another question. Do you think of yourself as:

a. 1st English 2nd British 3rd European
b. 1st English 2nd European 3rd British
c. 1st British 2nd English 3rd European
d. 1st British 2nd European 3rd English
e.1st European 2nd English 3rd British
f. 1st European 2nd British 3rd English

Actually it is A and I didn't have to think about that for a second. I really don't get your point - probably because this doesn't consume my thoughts as much as people who cannot accept they were on the losing side of a democratic vote. If you look at any of my posts on this subject, I've said that whatever the majority of Scotland goes for should be respected - by everyone, that includes crucially those in Scotland who were not part of that majority.

Anything else, different thread. I mentioned UKIP as you were implying that out of all of the UK it was only English people that had any issues with being in the EU whereas I don't believe that is actually the case but you obviously felt that wording at such met an agenda.

originally posted by: bigyin
a reply to: uncommitted



I don't have any problem with that. I'm Scottish. That seems to cause problems for a lot of British people, including some Scottish people.

People have problems with you being born in Scotland? Do they, or is it something else about your attitude they have a problem with? I suspect it's the latter but you would like it to be the former. See, we can both play that game can't we..... but it's a childish one.

a reply to: uncommitted

Yes they do. Scottish people flying the Scottish flag, the Saltire, were during the referendum debate, branded as Nationalists, Nats, referred to almost as terrorists. As if somehow being Scottish was not acceptable. We were told time and again to think of ourselves as British, should be flying the Union Jack. This idea was put out by all MSM mainly BBC.

Thankfully many Scots did not bow down to this and continued to fly the Saltire. At the end of this process I now despise the Union Jack. Not a feeling I had before. But having it jammed down your throat makes you gag. In recent years I was pleased to see that English people had rediscovered their own flag St George Cross. It gets flown everywhere now instead of the Union Jack. A symbol of Englishness. But now I see the Union Jack being flown again more and more, the imperial connotations are not lost in Scotland.

Your argument about a majority decision don't stand because it wasn't a fair contest. As I said I will be intrigued to see what your reaction is to the EU referendum and its result. I have a feeling you will be saying exactly the same things as I a now.

a reply to: Tedgoat

a reply to: boymonkey74

Lol I'm sorry. Please teach me some Royal history!

I promise I won't post any paranoid and or crazy comments!

originally posted by: bigyin
a reply to: uncommitted

Yes they do. Scottish people flying the Scottish flag, the Saltire, were during the referendum debate, branded as Nationalists, Nats, referred to almost as terrorists. As if somehow being Scottish was not acceptable. We were told time and again to think of ourselves as British, should be flying the Union Jack. This idea was put out by all MSM mainly BBC.

I can honestly say hand on heart that I didn't see as much of this as you make out, in fact I've noticed it being said a lot by some people on ATS but I can on go on what I did and didn't see.

What I did see on BBC was a former member of the now defunct Scottish Militant Socialist party professing to speak for his country', painting a picture of a socialist Scotland and perhaps some people in Scotland weren't of the same opinion.

I can't remember anyone on the BBC (from the BBC that is, can't definitely say the same for anyone interviewed on the street) referring to anyone as 'Nats' or implying the term Nationalist is by default comparable with terrorism.

I'm not sure why you keep referring to your opinion on my feelings about Europe. If there is referendum it will involve all of the UK and I'm sure opinion will vary with people from each country.

a reply to: uncommitted

I'm intrigued as to why you put the word 'militant' in there?

There is a SSP, Scottish Socialist Party, but not a Scottish Militant Socialist Party.

I'll assume you are referring to Tommy Sheridan, who did make some rousing speeches. Most people in Scotland admire his sentiment but know his ambitions are not realistic at this moment. I believe it does no harm to be reminded of some of the social problems that Tommy talks about and make us think harder about how to resolve them.

I'm surprised you mention Tommy Sheridan at because he was not actually shown very much at all on MSM. The people shown the most were Alistair Darling and Gordon Brown, both speaking as though they held high office and spoke for the majority of Scots. Neither of which is correct. These two were given the most amount of air time on TV and now most of what they said has been shown to be absolute and complete lies and BS.

My continual reference to EU is not directed at you personally but at the English population in general. I find it amusing that English people have always complained bitterly about Europe and Brussels telling them what to do. And now we are moving to a point where there is going to be an almighty debate about whether Britain should be in or out of EU. Most of the debate will be about England taking control of its own destiny, its own law making, its own decisions on many things without interference from EU. These are the same arguments made in Scotland that we would like to govern ourselves. So I'm looking forward to much hypocrisy in the coming months from English people who want for themselves what they won't grant to Scots.

You are correct that a EU referendum will be UK wide. but that simply reiterates the problem Scots face. Even if every single Scot voted to stay in EU, their voice will be drowned by the voices in England. It will be England who will decide whether Scotland is in EU or not.

a reply to: bigyin
Go Get em Tiger and Well Said. I await the Hypocrisy and BS From those opposed to Scottish independence in this and other threads.

Once the People of Scotland realise...surprised the No Voter had forgotten all about Thatcher and the 79 BS never mind the lies and deceit that led us into a illegal War, that we have been deceived once again, we will have another referendum for Scottish Independence in the next 7-10 years...

Either that or something more sinister might rear it's ugly head.

This aint finished by a long shot.....Westminster's only option now is Devo Max..Any less and it's game on.

My 2p- vote yes get independence ,vote no remain a member of UK , what's this vote no and get concessions?,"in" "out"
should be binary not sugar coated with briberies.

originally posted by: Zngland
My 2p- vote yes get independence ,vote no remain a member of UK , what's this vote no and get concessions?,"in" "out"
should be binary not sugar coated with briberies.

And the sugar coated concessions/bribes were made after a poll showed The Yes campaign in the lead and after hundreds of thousands of people had already voted by post...

originally posted by: bigyin
a reply to: uncommitted

I'm intrigued as to why you put the word 'militant' in there?

There is a SSP, Scottish Socialist Party, but not a Scottish Militant Socialist Party.

I'll assume you are referring to Tommy Sheridan, who did make some rousing speeches. Most people in Scotland admire his sentiment but know his ambitions are not realistic at this moment. I believe it does no harm to be reminded of some of the social problems that Tommy talks about and make us think harder about how to resolve them.

I'm surprised you mention Tommy Sheridan at because he was not actually shown very much at all on MSM.

He was shown regularly on the BBC, very regularly which seems to go against your comments about an 'anti Scottish bias' argument. Why do you believe Most people agree with his sentiments? A recent poll suggested the majority of people don't. From what I saw his speeches were like those of Alex Salmond - a lot of populist bluster with nothing to back it up.

I really don't understand your bitterness, but if it makes you happy then good luck to you.

For your reference though, just to help you with Scottish political history...

en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: Zngland
My 2p- vote yes get independence ,vote no remain a member of UK , what's this vote no and get concessions?,"in" "out"
should be binary not sugar coated with briberies.

And the sugar coated concessions/bribes were made after a poll showed The Yes campaign in the lead and after hundreds of thousands of people had already voted by post...

Actually, concessions were already on the table, dates weren't but then again I'm neutral, not everyone goes only by facts.

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: Zngland
My 2p- vote yes get independence ,vote no remain a member of UK , what's this vote no and get concessions?,"in" "out"
should be binary not sugar coated with briberies.

And the sugar coated concessions/bribes were made after a poll showed The Yes campaign in the lead and after hundreds of thousands of people had already voted by post...

Actually, concessions were already on the table, dates weren't but then again I'm neutral, not everyone goes only by facts.

And then they were in the bin!!

originally posted by: Tedgoat

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: Zngland
My 2p- vote yes get independence ,vote no remain a member of UK , what's this vote no and get concessions?,"in" "out"
should be binary not sugar coated with briberies.

And the sugar coated concessions/bribes were made after a poll showed The Yes campaign in the lead and after hundreds of thousands of people had already voted by post...

Actually, concessions were already on the table, dates weren't but then again I'm neutral, not everyone goes only by facts.

And then they were in the bin!!

If you say so, they were for the most part documented prior to the last few weeks of the campaign, but Salmond didn't want to discuss them. He didn't want to discuss anything apart from a Yes victory. Maybe the right referendum but the wrong leadership at the time?

Anyway, this is now history for now, in 10 years time I'm sure Mel Gibson will do a film showing evil English people doing something or another to stop Scottish people getting their FREEDOM!!!!, he likes to rewrite anything to show English people in a bad light.

The rest of the UK will remain impressed that such a large turnout occurred and that the people living in Scotland were passionate to get their voice heard - whichever way they voted. I think some people on here wish a lot of those people had stayed at home because they had a different opinion.

a reply to: uncommitted
Devo max or similar was kept off the vote by Cameron then just before the referendum there was vague promises of varying degrees of further devolution from the three main uk parties. At what point did salmond have the opportunity to discuss further devolution. Obviously as campaigning for independence he is not going to start favoring devolution just before the vote that would be ridiculous.
And just to clarify from point above about Cameron not having an anti tory dig as of the devo proposals the tory ones are at least the most honest.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: uncommitted
Devo max or similar was kept off the vote by Cameron then just before the referendum there was vague promises of varying degrees of further devolution from the three main uk parties. At what point did salmond have the opportunity to discuss further devolution. Obviously as campaigning for independence he is not going to start favoring devolution just before the vote that would be ridiculous.
And just to clarify from point above about Cameron not having an anti tory dig as of the devo proposals the tory ones are at least the most honest.

Devo max as I recall was kept off the vote to make it a simple yes or no question. Further powers to a Scottish, Holyrood government were not off topic, but were not the point of the yes/no question. Salmond could have raised discussion points whenever he wanted - he chose not to. To say talking about them would have been ridiculous fairly much shows the whole approach and maybe why it didn't lead to a yes vote, any real leader would hope for the best but prepare for the worse and discuss it with their 'opponents'.

a reply to: uncommitted
The reasons for keeping devo max off where a little more complicated than keeping the question simple. But as it was off the agenda (Cameron's decision) why the hell would salmond talk about it? It was completely irrelevant to the referendum until it was thrown in at the last minute by the three uk parties?
However glad you agree that the no vote was the "worse".