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Did Jesus say anything about gay folk?.

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posted on Sep, 6 2014 @ 11:53 PM
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originally posted by: BasementWarriorKryptonite
a reply to: DarknStormy

What did Jesus say about homosexuality?



Nothing. Not one single, solitary thing.

However, a large majority of Christians will perform scriptural gymnastics in order to support their bias against gay people. Jesus said nothing about the subject.

While there are Old Testament references that condemn homosexuality (at first glance), the same passages condemn cutting your beard, eating shellfish, et cetera, and most Christians have no problem with those behaviors.

And, for the record, I label myself as a Christian. I simply have no problem with homosexuality, as Jesus did not.

To all the Christians who say they don't mind homosexuals, they just do not like sin, let me remind you of one thing:

"Behold, the Lamb of God, which takes away the sin of the world".

Did He or didn't He? I believe He did. Therefore, even if you view homosexuality as a sin, it's been done away with. The writings of Paul bear this out.
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posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 04:39 AM
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originally posted by: sn0rch
"and ye, he who puteth his doodle in another mans butt, yet enjoyeth it, let him be struck down by hordes of future representatives in my name, it is my gift to mankind.. and .. uhh. some chicks.. but only butch ones!" - Jesus (snorch bible edition)

Its just lost in some mountain somewhere, waiting to be found, I am sure. :/



Yeah, I don't get it..

How can even the most devout left wing, extremist Christian "not like", watching two really, really... and I do mean Really hot chicks going at it..!!

If you ask me, not liking that is more unnatural than the act its self..!!


Although the above scenario is pretty natural in my opinion... LOL
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posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 08:32 AM
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originally posted by: DarknStormy
a reply to: boymonkey74

The New Testament does condemn Homosexuality..


For this reason [idolatry] God gave them up to passions of dishonor; for even their females exchanged the natural use for that which is contrary to nature, and likewise also the males, having left the natural use of the female, were inflamed by their lust for one another, males with males, committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was fitting for their error. Romans 1:26-27



"Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (misled): neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality". 1 Corinthians 6:9-10


Though Jesus doesn't make a direct reference to Homosexuality, the following verse pretty shows the reader his views on Marriage etc.


In Matthew 19:3, Jesus is asked about the permissibility of divorce "for any cause."
“ He answered, ‘Have you not read that the one who made them at the beginning “made them male and female” [Genesis 1:27], and said, “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh” [Genesis 2:24]? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.’ ”

(Matthew 19:4-6, NRSV translation; Mark 10:6-9 is a parallel text)


So I'm gathering that Homosexuality is against the natural order of things according to Jesus and the Bible though it also does not promote the persecution of Homosexuals either.

NIce to see someone actualy qoute bible scripture of facts in the bible that proves homosexuality is wrong.But you are never to harm or kill homosexuals.Suppose to love them as you also have shown.



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 08:34 AM
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a reply to: Jobeycool

I suppose it's lucky for everyone that the bible is a load of horse manure.

it's very interesting to read what the cult adherents have to say on the matter, though.



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 08:37 AM
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originally posted by: BasementWarriorKryptonite
a reply to: Jobeycool

I suppose it's lucky for everyone that the bible is a load of horse manure.

it's very interesting to read what the cult adherents have to say on the matter, though.


The scripture was provided by darkstormy and you people still whine and complain.



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 08:38 AM
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a reply to: Jobeycool

You people? I don't know what you mean - just everyone in general, those who disagree?

Where was I complaining? Who was complaining? What was the complaint?





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posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 08:39 AM
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originally posted by: Thejaybird

originally posted by: BasementWarriorKryptonite
a reply to: DarknStormy

What did Jesus say about homosexuality?



Nothing. Not one single, solitary thing.

However, a large majority of Christians will perform scriptural gymnastics in order to support their bias against gay people. Jesus said nothing about the subject.

While there are Old Testament references that condemn homosexuality (at first glance), the same passages condemn cutting your beard, eating shellfish, et cetera, and most Christians have no problem with those behaviors.

And, for the record, I label myself as a Christian. I simply have no problem with homosexuality, as Jesus did not.

To all the Christians who say they don't mind homosexuals, they just do not like sin, let me remind you of one thing:

"Behold, the Lamb of God, which takes away the sin of the world".

Did He or didn't He? I believe He did. Therefore, even if you view homosexuality as a sin, it's been done away with. The writings of Paul bear this out.
Darkstormy provided you factual scripture and you people still find a way to throw out facts and whine and complain about this subject.



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 08:40 AM
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originally posted by: BasementWarriorKryptonite
a reply to: Jobeycool

You people? I don't know what you mean - just everyone in general, those who disagree?

Where was I complaining? Who was complaining? What was the complaint?




I'm done you know the scripture darkstormy put up.Should be enough for you to stop.



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 08:41 AM
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a reply to: Jobeycool


The question wasn't "what does christian biblical scripture say about gay folk", it was "did Jesus say anything about gay folk?" and the member answered perfectly clearly - nothing whatsoever.

Do you have something to add to the contrary? I'd be interested to know what it is, to add to the discussion.



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 09:02 AM
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originally posted by: Jobeycool
Nice to see someone actually quote bible scripture of facts in the bible that proves homosexuality is wrong.But you are never to harm or kill homosexuals.Suppose to love them as you also have shown.


Actually the Bible does say they deserve to die but it also says that people who commit many other sins deserve to die also but that doesn't mean go out of your way to sin yourself... You are not meant to harm anyone otherwise you become the sinner yourself. It's making a statement that it is wrong but as it was said in another post, it wasn't said by Jesus, it came in the later chapters of the New Testament and some have issues with them.



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 09:28 AM
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Well the bible does condemn homosexuality, but Jesus in his short ministry was focusing on addressing Jews. In that culture it was a bit of a mute issue, because the Jews already despised that. Now on the other hand the Apostle Paul was addressing former pagans thus the following scripture.
1 Cor. 6: 9-11


9 Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality,
10 thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom.
11 And yet that is what some of you were. But you have been washed clean; you have been sanctified; you have been declared righteous in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God.


The most important parts of the scripture are bold and colored. Remember too that Jesus quoted the Old Testament quite frequently, validating it by doing that. He never had to quote every verse to show he believed it all.
These acts are grouped with other things equally disliked by God, does anybody ever say anything about them, like they do with homosexuality ? I find that the most curious part of this whole debate.

Really it's like of all the sins a person can commit in 2014 there is only focus on one. And there is a massive defense mounted to defend this one particular one. I guess sex before marriage and adultery is so common today people feel they don't even have to defend it anymore. It is what it is for modern morality.



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 09:34 AM
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a reply to: BasementWarriorKryptonite

Well I think I better just pull it out now.. Actually, he did speak about it in the form of Sexual Immorality. I thought someone would of chimed in with it...


And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery - Matthew 19:9


The Greek translation for "Sexual Immorality" is Porneia which refers to any unlawful Sexual Intercourse... Outside of marriage, sexual intercourse is unlawful according to the teachings and the marriage is between a Man and a Woman.. Guess what? Homosexuality is unlawful through the teachings of the Bible..

The above is a direct reference from Jesus that the marriage is between a Male and a Female... Fornication which is repeated numerous times in the teachings is sexual intercourse outside of marriage.. If the Bible does not recognize two males or females as lawful when it comes to marriage, then how can Jesus see it as lawful outside or inside the marriage? It would contradict the Bible itself and Jesus would be lying if he approved of Homosexuality or Incest or Beastiality.... And this is where it comes back to what I quoted earlier in the thread..


In Matthew 19:3, Jesus is asked about the permissibility of divorce "for any cause." “ He answered, ‘Have you not read that the one who made them at the beginning “made them male and female” , and said, “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh”? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.’


Male and Female once again.. There is no need for Jesus to directly address Homosexuality because the point is clearly made that Male and Female are what God has joined together and outside of that including marriage is unlawful sexual relations according to the bible. But this also applies to Male and Female outside of Marriage, it's not just about Homosexuals...
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posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 10:28 AM
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a reply to: DarknStormy

In the west we don't honor marriage, as it is in the Bible, at all. In the west people marry for love and attraction, and are otherwise free agents. This was NOT what marriage was in the bible at all.

Furthermore, married people today take vows that were not "written by God's laws" but were, according to the Bible, spoken by a woman to another woman!



RUTH 1:16
...for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God:

17 Where thou diest, will I die, and there will I be buried: the Lord do so to me, and more also, if ought but death part thee and me.



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 10:40 AM
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a reply to: DarknStormy

It's not that I don't get your point, I just disagree that what Jesus is saying there is that two of the same sex can't marry or have a bit of fun.

Jesus wasn't specifically speaking about homosexuality. He needed to be more specific and not leave room for manoeuvre, but he wasn't. He didn't think it was important enough, except to specifically address the importance of marriage to his culture in that day and age.

What he was specific about was this:




posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 10:42 AM
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a reply to: windword

But what does that have to do with condemnation of Homosexuality from the mouth of Jesus? In the Bible, Marriage is between a Man and a Woman and it states that clearly, it doesn't matter what brand the USA applies or where the vows come from.. The women were not Lesbians, they were family members who were at one stage married to Men.



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 10:53 AM
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a reply to: BasementWarriorKryptonite

This is what I'm saying and he doesn't need to be specific because when someone thinks outside the box, the message is pretty clear..

- Fornication is unlawful

- Adultery is unlawful

- Marriage is between a Male and a Female..

Now if people don't agree with it, then don't follow Christianity... But for followers it's part of the test and Fornication is one of the toughest tests of them all especially when you convert as an adult and realize the 50 people you screwed growing up was sinful lol



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 11:01 AM
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a reply to: DarknStormy

Women were commodities that were sold into marriage by the deals that their fathers made. Romantic love, of any kind was strictly forbidden from the beginning.

We don't practice marriage, AT ALL, in any shape or form, in the way Jesus described marriage. Jesus' defined marriage had no place for romantic love. No man would have thought about offering his son to another man in a marriage deal, but could, by God's law, make a deal selling his son into slavery. I believe Jesus endorsed slavery, as well.

Also, in parables, Jesus made it clear that multiple wives for one groom was a perfectly acceptable, and even an honorable omen. Something that today's Christians clearly vehemently reject.

So, my point is, biblical marriage guidelines are as irrelevant to today's marriage customs as Levitical laws banning homosexuality or shell fish are.


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posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 11:06 AM
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a reply to: windword

They may be irrelevant to you and your country, but there are many people who don't see it like that and people have the right to believe what they want too even if it sounds ancient, ridiculous and outright insane at times.
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posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 11:45 AM
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a reply to: DarknStormy

Nonsense. The United Nations has established global human rights that outlaw many of the marriage laws that were enforced during the 1st century, laws that Jesus supposedly supported. Today, in countries that don't honor UN Human Rights, those women, if they can reach it, all entitled to asylum.

Most of the global communities see 1st century marriage laws as irrelevant and immoral.



posted on Sep, 7 2014 @ 12:23 PM
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Wow!!! Some of you are incredibly dumb..both Christian and non Christian both. Incredibly ignorant about many things..including the Bible.

The lesson from the Bible or God's Word..both Olde and New Testaments is to not do as the nations surrounding Ancient Israel did...or where doing ..particularly as concerns sexuality.

They were defining themselves by their sexuality...homo and hetero both. Particularly around their holydays and festivals.
Often it was one big orgy...the likes of which would put Hugh Hefner and company in Kindergarten category.

A Christian defines who and what they are by the God who lives in them 24/7. The world and the god of this world wants everyone to define themselves by every passing wind or fancy which is always changing to anything and everything but God's Word and Instruction.

I am not arguing against sex or sexuality here or that people do not have sex or sexuality...but only that people not define themselves by this non standard. I am saying here that people are so much more than sex and sexuality...much much more.

If you are ignorant enough to not be able to think this through..you will be tossed to and fro by every changing wind of doctrine.

People who can think for themselves ..do not ever define themselves by their sex or sexuality...ever.

Xerox copies of todays stupidity and institutional ignorance do exactly that. And no one posting here seems to be want to bring up this view or understanding.

This is not just a homosexual problem..it is also a hetero sexual problem by default and ignorance. For many of the heteros here...do not seem to be able to grasp the knowledge that not all the cards in the deck are being presented for peoples knowledge and understanding.

No thinking person ever defines themselves by their sexuality and demands that others approve or at least be silent ....and conform...be censored. You have to be educated in stupid to not grasp this understanding...simply because humans are so much more than sexuality and sex.

To not know and understand this knowledge means that we are no more than base animals and debating a issue in which not all the cards are presented for our knowledge and understanding.

And then to cover up this lack of knowledge or understanding we label those who disagree with the prevailing winds in order to shame or censor them..when in fact not all the cards of knowledge are out here.



Christians do not define themselves by their sex and sexuality and then demand that others be silent or at least censored for their disagreement. Pagans do this...in order to default through and not let you know that cards are missing from this deck.

The very sickening thing about this is that many so called Christian Ministers do not discuss this view with their church. They leave their flocks ignorant and unarmed of this knowledge and understanding. It ought not to be so. These ministers are promoting ignorance here.


People are so much more than sex and sexuality. Do not let the world dumb you down in ignorance on this issue or any other. If you let them do this to you ...you will be jumping and hopping to the next phony issue with which they come up for political/social lucre.

Hope this helps some of you to think for yourselves..and not emote in lieu of thinking.

Orangetom
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