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posted on Sep, 5 2014 @ 05:46 AM
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A question for the Christians who are anti gay here.
Considering you all say the new testament is the true book of the bible the one that Christians actually follow well I can't find any quotes to do with gay folk from Jesus.
So If he didn't say anything but love each other etc why do you point out Leviticus all the time when it is from the old testament?.
When people say God is a bit of a dick you always point out that "That is in the old testament not the new one".
So why is it you choose to cherry pick what is right and wrong from the old testament? when to be a Christian you follow Jesus words not the old testament?.
Genuine question I may have gotten it wrong and I hope someone helps me understand it all.
Cheers.




posted on Sep, 5 2014 @ 05:55 AM
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a reply to: boymonkey74

You are pretty well spot on...

Jesus did speak on "sex outside of marriage" and some scholars believe his comments about eunuchs are in reference to homosexuality..

While sex outside of marriage is a sin, the thing to remember is all sins can be forgiven expect one... To turn away from salvation/God..




posted on Sep, 5 2014 @ 05:58 AM
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a reply to: boymonkey74

That's just like the whole "eye for an eye" argument when Jesus said "Turn the other cheek."

You should check out "Black Jesus". It makes more sense than the Christian bible. I think you can stream every episode for free.



posted on Sep, 5 2014 @ 06:00 AM
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a reply to: boymonkey74

No, Jesus didn't say a word, but more to the point;

Our lives are our own to live, we are responsible for the choices we make. So who gives anyone on this earth the right to persecute us for being the way we are born?



posted on Sep, 5 2014 @ 06:01 AM
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a reply to: markosity1973

Spot on. Nobody has the right.

I honestly can sense a change in people, who are fast realising that they have to live and let live for us to evolve or even continue to exist.



posted on Sep, 5 2014 @ 06:02 AM
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I bet the usual anti gay folk don't even reply and even attempt to answer my questions...I hope not but...



posted on Sep, 5 2014 @ 06:06 AM
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a reply to: boymonkey74

I don't think they can, anymore. I think they either know they're wrong, or that they will be shouted down by the sheer force of everyone else's logic, reason and love.

You just can't fight those things.



posted on Sep, 5 2014 @ 06:12 AM
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a reply to: BasementWarriorKryptonite

The odd thing is that there is a pressing matter in the world that gay people and Christians should actually be able to unite on;

The threat of fundamental Islam. It has been made very clear that they wish to extinguish both of us and are not afraid to be barbaric about it.



posted on Sep, 5 2014 @ 06:22 AM
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a reply to: boymonkey74

The New Testament does condemn Homosexuality..


For this reason [idolatry] God gave them up to passions of dishonor; for even their females exchanged the natural use for that which is contrary to nature, and likewise also the males, having left the natural use of the female, were inflamed by their lust for one another, males with males, committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was fitting for their error. Romans 1:26-27



"Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (misled): neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality". 1 Corinthians 6:9-10


Though Jesus doesn't make a direct reference to Homosexuality, the following verse pretty shows the reader his views on Marriage etc.


In Matthew 19:3, Jesus is asked about the permissibility of divorce "for any cause."
“ He answered, ‘Have you not read that the one who made them at the beginning “made them male and female” [Genesis 1:27], and said, “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh” [Genesis 2:24]? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.’ ”

(Matthew 19:4-6, NRSV translation; Mark 10:6-9 is a parallel text)


So I'm gathering that Homosexuality is against the natural order of things according to Jesus and the Bible though it also does not promote the persecution of Homosexuals either.
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posted on Sep, 5 2014 @ 06:24 AM
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a reply to: DarknStormy

What did Jesus say about homosexuality?



posted on Sep, 5 2014 @ 06:26 AM
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a reply to: DarknStormy

So you take the Bible version made in 1987 as the true word eh?.



posted on Sep, 5 2014 @ 06:31 AM
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"and ye, he who puteth his doodle in another mans butt, yet enjoyeth it, let him be struck down by hordes of future representatives in my name, it is my gift to mankind.. and .. uhh. some chicks.. but only butch ones!" - Jesus (snorch bible edition)

Its just lost in some mountain somewhere, waiting to be found, I am sure. :/


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posted on Sep, 5 2014 @ 06:32 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


originally posted by: DarknStormy
The New Testament does condemn Homosexuality..

The New Testament writers weren't Jesus.
They were humans who were adhering to ancient Abrahamic cultural notions.

Though Jesus doesn't make a direct reference to Homosexuality, the following verse pretty shows the reader his views on Marriage etc.

So then allow homosexual marriage and they won't be committing 'adultery' (sex outside of marriage).

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

edit on 9/5/2014 by FlyersFan because: (no reason given)


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posted on Sep, 5 2014 @ 06:32 AM
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No Jesus didnt address homosexuality, He addresses sin.
Your context about Jesus teaching is wrong.
Jesus was teaching His message to the world, when in the world all the Old Testament laws apply.
Jesus brought about a new covenant for Christians, not those in the world.

The Old Testament laws stand, for those outside of Christ.

Those within Christ, if they are homosexual will turn away from sin. Just as those in Christ will stop using pornography, lying, stealing, even judging others for their sin.
Sin does not work on a sliding scale, homosexuality is as evil as murder, as evil as lying, stealing, lusting after the opposite sex.

The simple fact is that homosexuality is against Gods law, the OT law is still in effect.

Another issue you seem to misunderstand is the concept of ritual (food, cleanliness and festivals) as opposed to life style.

The New Testament addresses relationship with people, God as opposed to ritual.

I could quote scripture and provide links, but you dont want that here.

Oh by the way, I am not anti gay, more anti sin. I dont see homosexuals as any more evil than myself, just I have Jesus and try very hard to fight my sinful nature.



posted on Sep, 5 2014 @ 06:34 AM
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originally posted by: BasementWarriorKryptonite
a reply to: DarknStormy

What did Jesus say about homosexuality?



When he makes a direct reference that the Male and Female bond should never be broken by anyone (Which means Everyone), that is a conclusion to me that Homosexuality is not an option on the table..It's pretty simple to understand. What I quoted is a condemnation of Homosexuality without actually speaking about the topic itself..

As for where he actually speaks about it, I don't think he does but the later books of the New Testament do..



posted on Sep, 5 2014 @ 06:35 AM
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a reply to: FlyersFan

Yup exactly Christians don't want people to sin and have sex before marriage etc so Gay folk getting wed is good for souls isn't it.



posted on Sep, 5 2014 @ 06:35 AM
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originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: DarknStormy

So you take the Bible version made in 1987 as the true word eh?.


I just quoted it, Want me to quote every revised version ever made?
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posted on Sep, 5 2014 @ 06:39 AM
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a reply to: borntowatch

But the old testament says eating pork and shellfish are also a sin.
Do you believe in those laws of god also?.
Why cherry pick?.



posted on Sep, 5 2014 @ 06:41 AM
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a reply to: DarknStormy

No, he was talking about marriage. He didn't specifically say anything there about homosexuality.



posted on Sep, 5 2014 @ 06:41 AM
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originally posted by: DarknStormy

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: DarknStormy

So you take the Bible version made in 1987 as the true word eh?.


I just quoted it, Want me to quote every revised version ever made?


Are they all different?





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