Ukrainian Su-25 warplane detected heading toward Malaysian Boeing

More evidence that the pro Russians are hiding and tampering with the crime scene.

www.bbc.com...

What are they trying to hide?

originally posted by: rustyclutch
No satellite imagery of the buk missile system parked anywhere? I thought our satellites were supposed to be amazing. The Russian technology is better than ours apparently....hehe.

Who needs satellites these days? everyone has a camera phone...

Here you go
www.youtube.com...
ukraineinvestigation.com...

originally posted by: thesaneone
More evidence that the pro Russians are hiding and tampering with the crime scene.

www.bbc.com...

What are they trying to hide?

As I said. It's a war zone. Maybe if the Ukrainian government had stopped dropping bombs and mortars for a few days they would have felt more "sensitive" to everyones needs. Not like they are getting shot at still. Why should they care about the investigation?

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: rustyclutch
No satellite imagery of the buk missile system parked anywhere? I thought our satellites were supposed to be amazing. The Russian technology is better than ours apparently....hehe.

Who needs satellites these days? everyone has a camera phone...

Here you go
www.youtube.com...
ukraineinvestigation.com...

So more youtube videos and social media as evidence. Comedy. How many fake youtube videos are there?

originally posted by: rustyclutch
a reply to: Indigo5

I won't even waste any time rebutting any of your above statements.

Yah...those annoyingly "objective" facts, evidence, audio, and imagery don't warrant a response? Not to mention the effen rebel leaders bragging about shooting down the plane on social networks and then desperately deleting posts when they realized they shot down a civilian airliner.

a reply to: Indigo5
Tell me that:

You provide essentialy just a video of a transported AA system.

How do you know where it is filmed?

Why the uploader is extremely pro-ukrainian judging by other videos?

a reply to: thesaneone

Good question, I don't know.

Maybe they were actually securing evidence to be used in their defense later on.

Or they are guilty and trying to hide something.

We need more info on these claims.

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: rustyclutch
No satellite imagery of the buk missile system parked anywhere? I thought our satellites were supposed to be amazing. The Russian technology is better than ours apparently....hehe.

Who needs satellites these days? everyone has a camera phone...

Here you go
www.youtube.com...
ukraineinvestigation.com...

Quick question,what is the image in your second link supposed to prove? It's just a photo of an AA vehicle.

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: rustyclutch
a reply to: Indigo5

I won't even waste any time rebutting any of your above statements.

Yah...those annoyingly "objective" facts, evidence, audio, and imagery don't warrant a response? Not to mention the effen rebel leaders bragging about shooting down the plane on social networks and then desperately deleting posts when they realized they shot down a civilian airliner.

How do you even know who made those posts? Do people's twitter accounts never get hacked? What evidence? No one can even tell me where that BUK launcher they claim the rebels have was parked. Russia can tell me where 9 of Ukraines were. And one of their aircraft. You are giving me 5 second youtube clips of a random BUK launcher riding in a random city, a spliced together youtube video of people talking about a crash, and some random tweets from people as your evidence. Your ENTIRE theory is based off of social media. Not a single government is giving you any hard evidence besides russia. This is hilarious. How are people fooled so easily?

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: rustyclutch
No satellite imagery of the buk missile system parked anywhere? I thought our satellites were supposed to be amazing. The Russian technology is better than ours apparently....hehe.

Who needs satellites these days? everyone has a camera phone...

Here you go
www.youtube.com...
ukraineinvestigation.com...

To bad they didnt film the actuall missile being fired at Mh17.

Having a BUK in Snezhne does not prove the US evidence. Even i could Draw curved lines on a Satellite image.

Would you have believed my evidence if i drew a SU 25 shooting air to air missile towards Mh17 on a satellite image?

You would probably want to see the actuall missile not som painted in coloured lines.

It all doesn't matter now, guys.

The UK will have the black boxes. The people who opened the UN emergency meeting with pointing the fingers with no proof just like the US.

I just don't want to wake up, knowing that I have to go to war.

originally posted by: whitepanther999
It all doesn't matter now, guys.

The UK will have the black boxes. The people who opened the UN emergency meeting with pointing the fingers with no proof just like the US.

I just don't want to wake up, knowing that I have to go to war.

Exactly. Its the common man that suffers the most as a result of things like this.

originally posted by: whitepanther999
It all doesn't matter now, guys.

The UK will have the black boxes. The people who opened the UN emergency meeting with pointing the fingers with no proof just like the US.

I just don't want to wake up, knowing that I have to go to war.

That is the second mistake the pro-russians have done. WHat ever comes out of that black Box is usless. Because the Uk are not neutral in this war, they side With the US and the Ukraine.

The crash site is tampoered With, and thats going to be used for what ever it is Worth, So that there can be a push to make People have doubst about the russian eveidence.

Man the US just got back in the ball game. What is going to be the NeXT false flag?

originally posted by: rustyclutch

originally posted by: thesaneone
More evidence that the pro Russians are hiding and tampering with the crime scene.

www.bbc.com...

What are they trying to hide?

As I said. It's a war zone. Maybe if the Ukrainian government had stopped dropping bombs and mortars for a few days they would have felt more "sensitive" to everyones needs. Not like they are getting shot at still. Why should they care about the investigation?

That's what some of them said, why are nearly 300 passengers on a plane's lives more important than the 500 or 1000 dead in eastern ukraine? They do have a valid point. Why is one life (or death) valued more than others.

Children died in bombing in Eastern Ukraine by the Ukranian Army, nobody shed a tear, suddenly children die on a plane, and the world goes into shock.

Are Dutch/Malasian/British et al's lives (or deaths) more important than Ukranian/Russian lives/deaths?

originally posted by: rustyclutch
a reply to: Cablespider

I had actually considered that angle as well. I'm not sure just how much control one can gain remotely. Definitely worth looking into.

I just imagine a scenario where the battery is purposely left behind. The rebels celebrating around the war trophy. Then, bam, the thing goes off. WTF?!

Yes, I do have an active imagination.

a reply to: spy66

I doubt the crash site is so tampered with they can't figure out what happened. I'm also pretty sure that the rebels didnt just happen to have a computer whiz on hand with all the things to reprogram the black boxes and return them. They preserved the crime scene whether anyone chooses to admit it or not. They rounded up passports for identification purposes, gathered the bodies, and turned the black boxes over to malaysia. I don't see any reports of them hauling away any wreckage. I sincerely doubt that moving luggage around changes anything with the investigation. They are going to be examing the damage to the aircraft, not the personal belongings everyone is in such an uproar about. It's pretty obvious how everyone died. The bodies being moved didn't matter either.

a reply to: spy66

I predict this:

They will find evidence of tampering with the black boxes.

That is why:

The Ukraine officials, when the rebels were readying to give away the black boxes to Malayisa, said that anything can be written there now, implying that rebels distorted the recordings.

a reply to: Cablespider

Yeah when I first found out they had one I was thinking about the possibility it got hacked or something. It's totally possible. Not sure how likely though. I would wager they can be hacked, the question would be do they have to be turned on or can they be turned on remotely as well.

Securing crime scene 101

www.forensicmag.com...

Rebels purposely tampered with the evidence.

originally posted by: thesaneone
Securing crime scene 101

www.forensicmag.com...

Rebels purposely tampered with the evidence.

Does your "online magazine" also have 101's for forensics during a conflict in a war zone?