Ukrainian Su-25 warplane detected heading toward Malaysian Boeing

One example of fake by Ukrainian media, just one taste for you (my writing):

Shameless promotion of hate.

The separatists of Ukraine are now heavily blamed for taking personal belongings of victims of the crashed plane. The ukrainian media created another shameless fake, and foreign media just repeats their words.
They show the photos of rebels on the site, holding the things, taking them from the ground. This is their supposed proof. Ok.

What they will not show at all, is the videoproof. Why?

Because the video shows that they work on the site, and put all the things to boxes and on the truck. Nothing is seen stolen, and showed photos are actually screenshots taken from the videocontext.

Trust such media more, if you want to help them create more hatred in the world.


Another great example would be using a photo of completely another person when presening "tapped" calls of rebels.

And this is the reliable proof they have to present to the whole world??

Supposedly this is V. Geranin, some russian authority guy.

But actually it is Hamzatov M., candidate of military sciences.

The US propaganda claime of a BUK system shooting Down Mh17 would have worked if the SU didnt show up on radar right by the freefalling Mh17.


The information on the black Box is also going to be very interesting in the days to come, because it might tell us why MH17 diverted from its flight coridoor and 14km to the North of it, right towards a location where 9 very active Ukrainian BUK missile systems were located.

where at least two of the Ukrainian BUK systems were located within a pro-russian controlled sector. It is also the same sector the Mh17 whent of the grid and the SU showed up on radar.

If the SU had flown bellow 16400 ft. and not showed up on radar. The US plan for the BUK system shooting Down Mh17 would have worked.

The US could probably have fabricated some Statellite images to gain support as well. But now that plan has failed. The US have to focus on the Black Box. Because it might just prove how involved they really are in this case.

I am wondering about such speculative scenario:

If the US decides to abandon its support for Ukraine, and Ukrainian government is proven guilty, would Mr. Poroshenko be really safe? (not that i care about his safety after what i believe he has done)
Would not the US want to make him not speak about affiliation?

originally posted by: whitepanther999
I am wondering about such speculative scenario:

If the US decides to abandon its support for Ukraine, and Ukrainian government is proven guilty, would Mr. Poroshenko be really safe? (not that i care about his safety after what i believe he has done)
Would not the US want to make him not speak about affiliation?

They are already framing it as a bunch of drunken Ukrainians. This will allow the US to distance itself from the obvious false flag but without completely abandoning the puppet regime they installed. The US will demand that the "rogue" elements responsible be taken to pasture while we continue to fund the Ukrainian Nazi Party.

a reply to: Rosinitiate

And will people believe that drunken 'specialists' are able to shoot down a plane at 10000 km with a complex AA system?

originally posted by: whitepanther999
a reply to: Rosinitiate

And will people believe that drunken 'specialists' are able to shoot down a plane at 10000 km with a complex AA system?

Lol, a drunk can complete a 5 minute launch sequence with more than one button.

originally posted by: whitepanther999
a reply to: Rosinitiate

And will people believe that drunken 'specialists' are able to shoot down a plane at 10000 km with a complex AA system?

People still believe the US is benevolent fighting for our freedoms and Israel's # smells like roses. So I'm going with yes, yes they will believe it. If they don't they will simply turn a nose and a blind eye to the obvious bull# lest they stand up to the US themselves. Most nations pander to, not stand up against US imperialistic behavior.

originally posted by: whitepanther999
I am wondering about such speculative scenario:

If the US decides to abandon its support for Ukraine, and Ukrainian government is proven guilty, would Mr. Poroshenko be really safe? (not that i care about his safety after what i believe he has done)
Would not the US want to make him not speak about affiliation?

Even if the US get cought being involved in the Downing of the Mh17. western media would not make a big deal out of it. Because that would not be in the best interest of the United States. The media would take the focus of the Public to something New.

The families of the passangers would not be given any media time. They would have to work behind the sean where the Public dont pay much attention.

a reply to: spy66

They were just "reporting" (using term lightly) on BBC that the wreckage had been "cut and changed", insinuating that the rebels are tampering with evidence.

It probably was cut and refitted by removing MH370 identifiers prior to the fated flight.

The US propaganda claime of a BUK system shooting Down Mh17 would have worked if the SU didnt show up on radar right by the freefalling Mh17.

That screen cap was all BS. The Singapore plane was a bit north and east of MH-17 based on flight data. How did it end up west of the MH-17 on radar.

Another important thing to not forget:

The presence of SU25 is more likely to be a monitoring mission plane, to confirm the destruction by BUK, rather than shooting themselves. But I'm sure someone already said that.

Confirmation? What are the chances of hitting a commercial 777 and no one knows it happened or won't find the crash site over populated land.

a reply to: roadgravel

yeah i guess, but they need faster data, to prepare the media.

Don't think they can just use binoculars, even so, it was cloudy that day.

Lol I'm still waiting on that nonexistant evidence the Unites States has. The funny part is....a month from now, when they STILL haven't produced any evidence that it was Russia.....people will still be putting up the same silly arguments they have been puttin up since day 1. I think Rosinitiate hit it on the head. They are going to let a few of the rebels take the fall and try to put a new puppet in. All while never ceasing and desisting in the threatening rhetoric directed at Russia.

originally posted by: buddah6

originally posted by: rustyclutch

“Records show that the Ukrainian Air Force plane ascended to the distance of 3-5 km from the Malaysian Boeing,” he said. “The Su-25 can fly at altitudes of up to 10 km. It is armed with P-60 air-to-air missiles that can hit targets at a distance of up to 12 km and reliably within 5 km.”

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Наличие американского спутника в районе катастрофы

Картаполов также сообщил о том, что 17 июля с 17.06 мск по 17.21 мск над юго-восточными районами Украины пролетал американский экспериментальный аппарат, предназначенный для обнаружения ракетных пусков.

Время катастрофы Boeing и время наблюдения спутником США за территорией Украины совпадают, указал генерал-лейтенант.

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Translation

An American satellite in the accident


Kartapolov also reported that 17 July with ICN ICN 17.21 17.06 on the South-Eastern regions of Ukraine flew American experimental apparatus designed to detect missile launches.


The time of the accident, Boeing and United States satellite observations over the territory of Ukraine are the same, said Lieutenant General.

I know for some of the Russian Haters this is nothing more than propaganda and you will argue to your last breath that Russia or the Rebels are responsible. For the objective others....Russia's evidence looks a lot better than our evidence. Or should I say Russia actually has evidence. It could be fake....I doubt it is. If it is fake they did a better job than that phone conversation. Either way...I didn't see this up yet so thought I'd post it.

Well, where should I start? A Su 25 has a ceiling of 22000 ft and a top speed of 600 mph, OK. Explain to me how it could catch an airplane flying at 33000ft and flying at about the same speed as the Su 25 top speed. The Su 25 would have to take off and climb to it's ceiling altitude and accellerate to it's top speed. After this happens the 777 would be to far gone for an intercept but remember the Su25 is a ground attack airplane not an interceptor. No politics just physics.

I'm afraid this takes the cake on dispelling the Su-25 rumor. I agree with these basic facts, and I can't see how it would be possible for an Su-25 to shoot down a 777 at 33000 ft. They don't even have Beyond Visual Range (BVR - Radar) capabilities or long range missiles for that fact on Su-25 - let alone the more modern variants. They are strictly ground attack aircraft. Much like the US A-10 Thunderbolt II.

originally posted by: Sparkymedic

originally posted by: buddah6

originally posted by: rustyclutch

“Records show that the Ukrainian Air Force plane ascended to the distance of 3-5 km from the Malaysian Boeing,” he said. “The Su-25 can fly at altitudes of up to 10 km. It is armed with P-60 air-to-air missiles that can hit targets at a distance of up to 12 km and reliably within 5 km.”

source

Наличие американского спутника в районе катастрофы

Картаполов также сообщил о том, что 17 июля с 17.06 мск по 17.21 мск над юго-восточными районами Украины пролетал американский экспериментальный аппарат, предназначенный для обнаружения ракетных пусков.

Время катастрофы Boeing и время наблюдения спутником США за территорией Украины совпадают, указал генерал-лейтенант.

source

Translation

An American satellite in the accident


Kartapolov also reported that 17 July with ICN ICN 17.21 17.06 on the South-Eastern regions of Ukraine flew American experimental apparatus designed to detect missile launches.


The time of the accident, Boeing and United States satellite observations over the territory of Ukraine are the same, said Lieutenant General.

I know for some of the Russian Haters this is nothing more than propaganda and you will argue to your last breath that Russia or the Rebels are responsible. For the objective others....Russia's evidence looks a lot better than our evidence. Or should I say Russia actually has evidence. It could be fake....I doubt it is. If it is fake they did a better job than that phone conversation. Either way...I didn't see this up yet so thought I'd post it.

Well, where should I start? A Su 25 has a ceiling of 22000 ft and a top speed of 600 mph, OK. Explain to me how it could catch an airplane flying at 33000ft and flying at about the same speed as the Su 25 top speed. The Su 25 would have to take off and climb to it's ceiling altitude and accellerate to it's top speed. After this happens the 777 would be to far gone for an intercept but remember the Su25 is a ground attack airplane not an interceptor. No politics just physics.

I'm afraid this takes the cake on dispelling the Su-25 rumor. I agree with these basic facts, and I can't see how it would be possible for an Su-25 to shoot down a 777 at 33000 ft. They don't even have Beyond Visual Range (BVR - Radar) capabilities or long range missiles for that fact on Su-25 - let alone the more modern variants. They are strictly ground attack aircraft. Much like the US A-10 Thunderbolt II.

Why would the SU have to Catch up to the Mh17?

It is a lot faster if the SU meets the Mh17 on its flight parth. If the Su is flying towards the Mh17 which is flying towards the SU they are going to meet up prity fast.

If you shoot a Air to Air missile at a target that is moving towards the missile the range will not be that far at impact.

originally posted by: Rosinitiate
a reply to: spy66

They were just "reporting" (using term lightly) on BBC that the wreckage had been "cut and changed", insinuating that the rebels are tampering with evidence.

It probably was cut and refitted by removing MH370 identifiers prior to the fated flight.

I have heard the same thing. What fools.

Here is the evidence the US are presenting. It is a image of the trajectory of a BUK missile bing fired from Snizhne.

How credible is this?

a reply to: spy66

Hehe I thought our satellites could read license plates. Listen to how the white house tip toes around these questions....lol

a reply to: rustyclutch

I don't see any tip toeing. Just more spin from RT. That reporter was just doing his job and questioning everything currently being put out. And I'm not a big fan of the current US administration. Personally, I think she absolutely owned that poor excuse for a reporter.

Nothing more than two sides of the same coin arguing with each other.

But I must ask...will you EVER believe that the guys you back have possibly murdered innocent people. Or will it always be a conspiracy to you, and not just a case of some trigger happy idiot on the separatists side?