Kentucky Baptist church schedules first gay wedding only hours after ban ends

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Not a specialist on the New Testament then? That explains a lot.

I'm a specialist on the NT. Also the OT. Koran and Gita. A little off on the Book of Morman. Wanna go?

As a specialist, would you agree with the statement that there are no varying degrees of sin? A sin is a sin? Also, we are all sinners, correct?

So wouldn't it be hypocritical for someone to single-out and judge homosexuals when their own sins are equal to homosexuality in the eyes of God?

a reply to: intrepid

You do realize why He got so angry, don't you?

originally posted by: sheepslayer247

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Not a specialist on the New Testament then? That explains a lot.

I'm a specialist on the NT. Also the OT. Koran and Gita. A little off on the Book of Morman. Wanna go?

As a specialist, would you agree with the statement that there are no varying degrees of sin? A sin is a sin? Also, we are all sinners, correct?

Jesus point was that this is the purview of the Father. Not you, not me.

originally posted by: DarknStormy

originally posted by: beezzer

Can we just allow the freedom for anyone who loves each other to get married?

Keep it away from Religious buildings.. Is that asking for too much?

Why? I run (ran) a religious building and I would happily join two dudes or two chicks in legal wedlock.

Homophobic cults don't hold the monopoly on the word "religious".

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Not a specialist on the New Testament then? That explains a lot.

I'm a specialist on the NT. Also the OT. Koran and Gita. A little off on the Book of Morman. Wanna go?

Huh? On what topic? This one? The Baptists who are performing a same sex marriage next spring?

Other users waffling and mistakes of fact?

I'll be glad "to go" on anything that is factual or can be addressed with substantive evidence: have at it.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Well as it relates it seems like Jews have little problem with Gay folks. Islam and Christianity, not so much. Hinduism, Buddhism no prob. Christianity surprises me. Jesus taught acceptance. Christianity teaches obedience. THAT doesn't add up.

originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: Gryphon66

Well as it relates it seems like Jews have little problem with Gay folks. Islam and Christianity, not so much. Hinduism, Buddhism no prob. Christianity surprises me. Jesus taught acceptance. Christianity teaches obedience. THAT doesn't add up.

Agreed on every point. I would not dispute for a moment that taken as large groups, Christians and Muslims are "anti-gay" ... that would be ludicrous indeed.

I have gone way too far in this thread arguing with someone who stated that the New Testament says that homosexuals deserve death. It was not a comment worth the trouble that either I or DarknStormy have put into it. The verse quoted from Romans 1 has many different translations and interpretations, none of which, to me, called on Christians (or Jews or Muslims) to exercise the ultimate punishment on those "deserving of death" per Romans 1. (Which includes a list of failings that would obliterate, conservatively speaking, 99% of the human race if so punished.)

That's all I'm saying, in sum.

originally posted by: sheepslayer247
would you agree with the statement that there are no varying degrees of sin?

Not if you believe scripture.

1 John 5:16-17: "If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is a sin which is not mortal.

Luke 12:47-48: "And that servant who knew his master's will, but did not make ready or act according to his will, shall receive a severe beating. But he who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, shall receive a light beating. Every one to whom much is given, of him will much be required; and of him to whom men commit much they will demand the more." (cf. Lev. 5:17, Lk. 23:34)

John 19:11: "'. . . he who delivered me to you has the greater sin.'"

James 3:1 "we who teach shall be judged with a greater strictness"

originally posted by: olaru12
Not care? Homosexuality is an abomination to Christians.

Well ... it depends on the Christians.
Thankfully, most Christians are evolving and this won't bother them.

originally posted by: DarknStormy

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: DarknStormy

This is the same person who said women should be silent in church, and their only real use is to be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen...

Why trust a Pharisee?

I'll tell you why. Because if you look at Jewish religious law, Homosexuality is condemned, if you look at Islamic religious law, homosexuality is condemned, if you look at the Noachide Laws some of the earliest we have, homosexuality is alongside Beastiality.

So using references from other religions, it would suggest that he is correct because prior to the New Testament, this act was also condemned and why would the almighty have a sudden change of heart to something that is considered unnatural and a blasphemy throughout history? Promotion of Homosexuality in religion is ridiculous.

Heh... well it seems to me "god" went from a maniacal baby killing tyrant who was Jealous, envious and wrathful, to Mr. Nice guy in the transition from OT to NT...

Having a change or heart seems to be the norm for "god" if one believes in both testaments in the "good book"

Then again perhaps you just didn't notice... Christians don't seem to most times... so I suppose theres no reason for anyone else to realise this

And we're also not talking about other religions here so that is a moot point...

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: olaru12
Not care? Homosexuality is an abomination to Christians.

Well ... it depends on the Christians.
Thankfully, most Christians are evolving and this won't bother them.

Will you marry me?

Logic.

originally posted by: AfterInfinity

originally posted by: DarknStormy
a reply to: boymonkey74

What God? Homosexuals are not worshipping a Monotheistic God, they are an insult to that God regardless of gay rights or not. People do not make the rules in religion, the religious books wouldn't be relevant if that was the case.

Pretty sure that people did make those rules. And in perfect honesty, it's those people that homosexuals are insulting. I've never once heard a grandiose voice echo from the sky in declamation of gays. It's always the bigots I see here on Earth.

Just sort of felt like requoting this mostly due to it being the resounding truth. The books (not holy, just the tenants of religion) is little more than old bigots and jerks that wrote down what they didn't like, then said it was supernaturally backed up by the invisible space wizard that will kill ya and then kill ya more.

No evidence for that.

So yeah, rules change through time by new wiser men. We learn from our mistakes and become better people for it.

And if there is a Christian God at the end of his life that questions me on why I thought certain ways, the answer is simple...because I knew it was the good thing to do. If God loves his children, then he loves them..its unconditional..and what sort of loving creator would curse 1000 to 1 infinitely....it is impossible for any logic to even try to justify it, therefore the only possible conclusion is that the bible, at least in the rules regards from Leviticus, is manmade nonsense...and by some real jerks at that.

originally posted by: DarknStormy
a reply to: NoRulesAllowed

I don't care whether they are born gay or not, I'm not here too prove that and people can believe what the choose to. I'm telling people from a religious standpoint that homosexuality is condemned, has always been condemned and will likely continue to be condemned by true worshippers.

Wow. That's an astonishing opinion. So you don't care whether they're born gay, but without a question accept that they are condemned, simply BECAUSE that's how they were born? JUST because "it's written". You are aware you can apply the same logic to people who are born with a big nose etc.

Do you seriously think god punishes someone for something which is not even their fault , just because they're born this way?

But you are not born that way. A pederast is not born that way. An adulterer is not born that way.a reply to: NoRulesAllowed

originally posted by: manna2
But you are not born that way. A pederast is not born that way. An adulterer is not born that way.a reply to: NoRulesAllowed

We are not talking about adulterers and pederasts, we're talking about people who just happen to be born being attracted to the same gender. But OF COURSE you *have to* mash in homosexuals with adulterers, pederasts, prostitutes etc. like most of you guys do...and OF COURSE you have to believe that HS is a choice. Because if you were not and would realize/know that being HS is not a choice, your abstruse idea of the "sin of homosexuality" would come crashing down because common sense would dictate that it cannot be a "sin" if it's not a willful choice.

originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: DarknStormy

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: DarknStormy

This is the same person who said women should be silent in church, and their only real use is to be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen...

Why trust a Pharisee?

Heh, I guess I have to retract some of that. I just reread your post and I was responding to you. Sorry akron, I was giving you the benefit of doubt when I posted. Lol, not realising. So....but, but....you brought it all up. I responded. I wasnt street preaching. I reacted to your claims. My guess you walked into a 7-11 talking smack about your feelings about God and feel offended someone responded in defense of their beliefs?? Heh
I'll tell you why. Because if you look at Jewish religious law, Homosexuality is condemned, if you look at Islamic religious law, homosexuality is condemned, if you look at the Noachide Laws some of the earliest we have, homosexuality is alongside Beastiality.

So using references from other religions, it would suggest that he is correct because prior to the New Testament, this act was also condemned and why would the almighty have a sudden change of heart to something that is considered unnatural and a blasphemy throughout history? Promotion of Homosexuality in religion is ridiculous.

Heh... well it seems to me "god" went from a maniacal baby killing tyrant who was Jealous, envious and wrathful, to Mr. Nice guy in the transition from OT to NT...

Having a change or heart seems to be the norm for "god" if one believes in both testaments in the "good book"

Then again perhaps you just didn't notice... Christians don't seem to most times... so I suppose theres no reason for anyone else to realise this

And we're also not talking about other religions here so that is a moot point...

you se God changing. I see Him the same throughout. Its perspective. I see man changing snd coming to know Him more intimately. You assume man thinks now like he did 4k, or even 6k years ago. You are blessed to know Him in a dispensation of time, that of grace. It is why love is so universally known. Even agape. But 4k years ago it was a dispensation where man came to know Him as a just God through Moses and the law. 2k years before that man knew Him as Creator through Adam. The New Testament replaced the old Coveb
nants not because they were outdated, but because the new gave manifold wisdom to all that was hidden in the law. Men get so blind trying to justify things using law. The pharisees were fixated to the point it made them empty and evil flourished as a result? Who can keep the law? The law only exposes sin and brings the curse of death. The law is made whole in the sacrifice of the Lamb. It is in His blood our sins are covered. All are lead to the foot of the cross where your works are too leaving you empty. Our only part in this act of propitiation for our sins is to give them to Him, take up your cross and begin anew in life through the Holy Spirit. All may come. Gays, transgendered, liars, adulterers, gossips, slanderers, etc... but dont think He will give any special iniquity a wink or a nod for a special pass. We are all born with inherant sin from Adam and made right in the acts of the second Adam. As Adam was the first, all born through him so is Yeshua the firstborn in His Spirit Kingdom and unles you be born again you will not see it. Dont let mob rule determine your decisions.

But there is no evidence you are born that way. The gay gene scam was a scam and later refuted. Genetics from environmental toxins, disruptors and poisons that effect the endocrine system and brain functions severely influenced from a culture of porn is not being, "born that way"a reply to: NoRulesAllowed

a reply to: manna2

If I wanted a sermon full of nonsense i'd go to church

thanks though

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: manna2

If I wanted a sermon full of nonsense i'd go to church

thanks though

if you were misusing scripture to defend a gay marriage stance and throw it around as a tool to obfuscate its truth...and declare without merit claims of unscientific science...well i might respond to you in like manner as i have with the antagonist i have been responding to. But i dont ever remember having read anything from you in any forum that would make me make you uncomfortable by preaching to you. Things do need to be properly represented otherwise we would not have proper context and it becomes who googles best to further our own presuppositions and look for stars. That is neither you nor i.

a reply to: DarknStormy

There is no such thing as a Gay Christian or Muslim... Religion denounces those people whether or not they proclaim to follow either of those religions.

Erm.....
no.

There ARE such things as Gay/Lesbian Christians.
SOME religions 'denounce' "those people". Not all of them.